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Discussion: Counter-Strike Source / Counter-Strike - General Discussion - CS Night right now! 12/7/2003 - Originally Posted by Wyzcrak Well, if you had played thousands of rounds of NS, as
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
    Well, if you had played thousands of rounds of NS, as I have of CS, that statement would hold some credibility.
    Yet I fail to believe you have played thousands of rounds of TG CS.
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    Being an "old school" CS player I can say without a doubt that the games on the CS server of yester-year where a lot more climatic then what you have witnessed. I am sure I am not the only person who will admit that there were many, many, many, times where I would actually jump out of my seat because somebody scared the crap out of me. Something I have yet to do in NS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie
    That is like me saying that there is only 1 strategy employed on the TG NS server
    There is only one strategy though. Get shot guns, then kill everything that the aliens have made. Nine times out of ten, thats the only strategy that gets used. Now I am not saying that its bad, but dont complain about the lack of strategy that CS offers you and try to defend NS for the strategy it offers.

    You can tell that wyz hasnt played CS on TG.. or at all because the thing you learn playing CS anywhere, is that the guns your enemies have are meaningless. Its all about skill and tactics. Using the right tactics a glock can take out an M4. Hell ask all of the CS players who had really high knife kills.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingmore.
    Any game, where 1 extreamly good person can make the difference, is not a game worth playing.
    NS is exactly the same. One good player who knows how to use a JP+shotgun or hell even just a shotgun can pretty much own an entire alien team. All you have to do is jump around a lot and shoot. I have seen it a million times on this server, some by you alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
    I mean, where the hell is everyone? Are they playing other games? If so, why?
    I personally moved on. There are little things in CS that I just got sick of. Sneaking up on somebody and unloading an entire clip into their back only for them to jump around and get a HS on me. Retreating around a corner only to get killed (by a HS) around the corner. Players who just seem to know where you are all times. The wacky weapon physics (shot gun up close does 20 damage, but half the map away it kills in 1 shot). Just the littlest things that I used to bitch about all the time that I finally got sick of.

    I would love to come back and play, but I hate steam.
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    No no.. the thousands was of CS sans TG. If you had played thousands of rounds of non-TG NS and doubted my claims that we (TG) had the power to overcome the common implementation of the game's playing style, I would hardly think you unreasonable.

    I, however, have the luxury of inviting you to an active TG server for NS. Somebody needs to revive our CS server with enlightened players so that I myself can become enlightened.

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    Thats the problem, it will never go back to the way it was 2 years ago.. hell even a year ago. People have moved on.
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    What it all boils down to is how well your team works together. If one player with awesome skill dominates your team over and over again, it is not the game I would be looking for to be at fault.

    Perfect example, clan Boing. Not a single member of that clan was outstanding by themselves....yet if you put them all on the same team, then it became very difficult to beat them.
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    HS's = MC² = 'HSantal

    nah.. headshots
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ender_

    I personally moved on.
    Hell man, you moved on from CS over and over and over again :P

    The wacky weapon physics (shot gun up close does 20 damage, but half the map away it kills in 1 shot).
    Usually I would get 80 points of damage up close, my complaint with the pump shotty was that after getting blasted by it, some people can whip around and still fire a pistol fast enough to kill you before you can reload your next shell. But you still see me running around with it :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
    I, however, have the luxury of inviting you to an active TG server for NS. Somebody needs to revive our CS server with enlightened players so that I myself can become enlightened.

    Wyzcrak
    I would love to enlighten you. I think it would be a blast showing you what a team of veterns can do in this game even if the opposing team has 1 or 2 players of exceptional skill. I have a feeling that a vetern TG CS team vs a bunch of players from NS would end up slaughtering the NS team, even if they had exceptional players like I am sure some of the NS players are. Though I would admit that the same CS team probably wouldn't do so well in NS like the team from NS.

    Different games, different playing styles.
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    NS is exactly the same. One good player who knows how to use a JP+shotgun or hell even just a shotgun can pretty much own an entire alien team. All you have to do is jump around a lot and shoot. I have seen it a million times on this server, some by you alone
    Can that one marine, Command himself, shoot down the hive himself, all the while giving himself medpacks/ammo, not to mention take down various chambers the aliens put up. As of now even a skilled jet packer has to land, as the jetpacks are not everlasting, and even then, a lerk can own him as he tries to avoid the skulks. We've had many #cri. people play on the TG server, and they are exceptional players with aim that I could only dream of, but did they win the game for their team? I don't think so. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember a #cri. that wyz was forced to kick, as he didn't follow orders and insisted on ramboing. Sure i've seen an exceptional player kill several aliens in one battle, but even the most skilled will fall to an onos if they are cought by themselves, and the onos has the least sense of devour/stomp. I've NEVER seen one exceptional player make or break the game in 2.0

    Hell, even the most skilled will fall to a Fade or a Lerk. As long as the fade can blink and swipe. And a lerk can kil him simply by sporeing and spiking while he's in the spoes, he'll fall so fast the comm won't be able to keep up with the meds (I know, I've seen lerks do this to my marines).

    NS is not the glorified frag-fest that I see CS as. One good player amkes little difference in the big scheme of things. Which is... to say the least, quite the contrary to what I've seen in CS. Some people like the fact that if they get good, they can be the center player, the star of the show lets say, that dosn't happen in NS. Unless your a good comm, then people flock to your team =P.

    Even as the greatest comm though, You can't win all the time. Your team matters. If your team can't hit the broad side of a barn, and you tell them to make a push against the aliens "here". They will not succeed. If your team dosn't heed your orders, you will not succeed. You win as a team in NS, and you win as a team in CS, But in CS, I see ony player making all the difference, all too much.
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    The JP+shotgun example is a bad example. I will give you that. But it is entirely possible for 1 player to make a difference in NS. Just look at wyzcrak, he has made a difference in games where 1 team was way behind only for him to join the team and make a come back.

    Just because he didnt kill the entire alien\marine side himself, doesnt mean he didnt make a difference with just being there guiding his team.


    *EDIT: Besides, if 1 player made that much of a difference, then that team sucks really bad and deserves to lose.
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    Why did did the other team win though after he joined?

    Because he told them what to do? Wow, they worked as a team, and won!

    He may have told them what to do, but they did it together.
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    In which example? The NS example? Well in that case, wyzcrak is known for being extremely good in bad situtations. He jumps in and takes command of the situtations, people either listen to him or lose.

    CS and NS are the same in a sense that if a team doesnt work together all the time, if every body isnt on the same page, then the team is going to lose.. and lose badly. It happens all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ender_
    In which example? The NS example? Well in that case, wyzcrak is known for being extremely good in bad situtations. He jumps in and takes command of the situtations, people either listen to him or lose.

    CS and NS are the same in a sense that if a team doesnt work together all the time, if every body isnt on the same page, then the team is going to lose.. and lose badly. It happens all the time.
    In my opinion, you don't even have to be on the same page, unless there's more than one bomb site and your on the CT's. That one player can still kill the entire oposing team, and win, by himself.

    People listened to wyz, Executed what he thought was key, as a TEAM, and won for it. Wyz can't execute his own commands. I can't execute my own commands when i'm comm, the MOST i can do is jump out of the chair and kill 1, maybe 3 skulks attacking base, the rest is up to my team. Should they choose to listen to me so i can lead them to victory, or defeat, is completely up to them. One thing is for sure though, if they don't listen to me, we WILL be defeated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingMore.
    In my opinion, you don't even have to be on the same page, unless there's more than one bomb site and your on the CT's. That one player can still kill the entire oposing team, and win, by himself.
    If an entire T team cant kill 1 CT, then they deserve to lose. Its as simple as that. They need to use better tactics instead of just rushing into the bombsite.

    People listened to wyz, Executed what he thought was key, as a TEAM, and won for it. Wyz can't execute his own commands. I can't execute my own commands when i'm comm, the MOST i can do is jump out of the chair and kill 1, maybe 3 skulks attacking base, the rest is up to my team. Should they choose to listen to me so i can lead them to victory, or defeat, is completely up to them. One thing is for sure though, if they don't listen to me, we WILL be defeated.
    Then one man did make a difference, regardless of his role.

    Your mind set is, he needs to be on the field killing things to make a difference. Thats totally false, especially in a game like NS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ender_
    Then one man did make a difference, regardless of his role.

    Your mind set is, he needs to be on the field killing things to make a difference. Thats totally false, especially in a game like NS.
    The one person that kills an entire team has plenty of time to calculate his movements, make his decisions and execute the head shot, then move, or stay where he is, for another head shot. he can, essentialy, win by himself, in NS, that's not posible, at all.
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