Jest

Everybody shows his azz from time to time. It's just human nature.

Some of the games over the last week have been pretty good, especially the captain's games. But, some, especially after the Italy captain's game last night, were awfully lame. I don't expect everyone to always agree with my point of view on how the game should be played. And I don't expect everyone else to always play the way I want them too. There are grey areas that come up from time to time on what's kosher and what's not. I know there have been multiple times when I've done things that someone else disagreed with either because I had my head up my you know what or because I had not yet learned what is appropriate in a given situation. I think we need to cut others some slack from time to time.

Root might be a lightening rod because he stands up for what he believes in and doesn't tolerate any BS. But people should cut him some slack too. If you don't agree with his methods it should be discussed and then you move on. Too many people have been getting emotional and childish about a game that's supposed to be a pleasure to be enjoyed. Let's get serious again about having some fun and working together. If you are getting burned out then take a break, Monk. I look forward to you coming back, though.

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Mateo

I've never had any issues with any admin here. Root runs a tight ship, and there is nothing wrong with that. All you have to do is go out on another server and see the lax admining and general foolishness of the CS:S "community" to appreciate what Root does.

That said, TG is getting bigger, and that's double edged. To the extent that we get more people in, that's good, but it also means that we have to exercise ever greater vigilance to maintain our style of play, which is a big part of our "brand".

I am worried about all the talk of limiting access, or imposing some application process. All we need to do is look at SOTO for an example of what happens to clans/groups that do that. Their JO server is dead, as are their forums, and other servers. International Conflict is another good example. I like members of both squads, solid gamers, good teammates, but let's face it, making people jump through hoops=no activity.

What I'd like to see, instead of locking down the existing servers is a third tourney/member server for CS:S, similar to the SWAT4 server. I don't know how feasible that is in terms of hardware and administration, but that seems to me to be a better way to strike the balance between keeping TG alive, and not retreating into what Muffin Man calls "elitism".

TheFeniX

What hoops are there to jump through? I've always wondered why there are so many CS players when they have no desire to play the objective. You'd think they'd enjoy Quake deathmatch so much more. Playing the objective isn't as difficult or boring as people try to make it out to be.

Root is a tough admin, yes. But he's tolerant where it counts: people learning the play style. He is not tolerant of people continually breaking the rules when they've been warned.

The main theme at TG is communication. And that's where 99% of CS players fail on this server. They can claim they're being tactical all they want, but they never communicate these things until after the fact. That's where the rub is. These people don't want to communicate. They don't want to plant the bomb or rescue the hostages. They want to shoot anything that moves and doesn't show up on their radar.

And that's fine, but I'm amazed they argue so much when there are 15,000 other servers that condone their behavior. When I got slayed on a TFC server for camping as a demolition man, I went and found another server. I didn't hang around and bitch about it. And if I did, I would have expected to be removed.

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DudeMan

i hesitated from posting here, maily because i have only started using the CSS servers in the last few months, but i am surprised at the head on the chopping block. god knows i have not seen eye to eye with root in the past, (very recently infact) but there is nothing wrong with his admin technique. im sick of joining the server and geting mixed messages, and these messages are comming from the admins, everyone is pushing the bounds on how far they can go, gettting greedy and trying to get that heroic kill. and im sorry to say at the expense of winning.

when i first stared playing and this is a matter of months ago (in CSS at least) there was clear rules for me, and now they are all being pushed. in italy you can now go through the arches ito the long hall, (for now as long as you dont go all the way out) and you ask yourself, why is this a tactical advantage? well it isnt, but you get to kill 2-3 people before you are killed, the same long hall can be defended from the hostages location and you can defend from the other locations.


the problem here is some seem to think the rules are too harsh, and some dont, i certainly dont, and i dont see any problem with root admining. at least with him you know people will do as they are told or **** off... the best attitude IMO.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

Nightfire

wut medals? medals for being obedient and stuff?

sleprock

I am a new player here, I was told about the serversby someone I know outside of the Community.So I came and played me and my little brother. I have been on both sides of one of Roots decisions.At one time in my life I was part of a Tactical Unit.Root keeps his decisions as near to real life and in the rules as possible.I hope all this can be worked out because when I came here it was for a game I staied for the unity.
Root keep up the good work and don't let the BS get you down.

MONKERZ

From reading all the replys i have gotten from this thread, I do think i know what has been going on. And me leaving TG and returning is not an option. I hope this thread helps everyone out. Root, Bro we all love the way you do things, some not as much as most, but if you leave there will be something missing.

Can everyone once again join together and be friends?

God i hope so!

-Monkz

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BATMAN.

Have fun playing in pubs.

BATMAN.

Root is a good admin.Though admining isn't a difficult task.To be an admin is a reward.We have plenty of admins that do amazing work for the community everyday.Wyzcrak has been devoted for the past 2 1/2 years to being an admin on the TG:NS server.He has made countless mods/admin tools/and fixes to make the server a better place to be.He has worked to be the lead admin and is still working to maintain our servers everyday.I dont see him getting awards,or rewards,or special thank you's for kicking someone or settling an arguement or kicking a player or being on a server playing.I dont know what the big deal is.Have I missed something?Root is an admin for a server and for the most part he just makes the rules clear and kicks people if they want to be jackass's..Almost any other admin will do the exact same thing if you ask them its just that most people dont have as much free time.

Mateo

Actually, Fenix, I was referring not to the game itself, but to the whole idea that you have to sign an application and be "allowed" in. That's what SOTO does, so that's what I was alluding to. If there was any confusion, umm....english is my first language *shrugs*.

You will note that I am part of the root fanclub.

asch

I completely disagree here. While being an admin may not be a difficult task, it is a responsibility that takes time, dedication and patience. It is by no means a reward. The reward would be being able to sit and play on an admin'd server without having to be the admin. That is the reward. We get no special treatment.

These servers don't run themselves. We sacrifice game time to make sure that you can enjoy yours. We have to put up with the whiners, complainers, babies, jack-arses, etc. We were asked to do this job and we accepted the responsibility because we want this to be the best server out there.

9 v

You mean stay the best server out there.

Reward? Maybe. Honour? Definitely.

BATMAN.

I see admin as I see a hall moniter.Its not the best job in the world but dont tell me you dont like being in charge.If by dedication you mean dedication to be on the server then that just proves my point.Admins in essence are people that play a lot on the server and can take care of people who play like retards and or people that dont know the server.Unless you are an admin who is always making mods for the servers and spending your time,improving everyone elses.(Example:Wyzcrak)

Uchiha Obito

I fail to see how this is all fun and games for the admins Batman, would you like to be the referee at a baseball game and wish you could be playing? Sure, it could be fun, but only so far as one might have a power trip. You make it sound like the admins are skinny cops who abuse their power, yes Wyz does much for this community, but you are looking for ppl to give him props on the CSS forums, he doesn't exactly get his hands dirty with the people here. He is in what tends to be a thankless position where the CSS servers are concerned, and while it is regrettable, by no means does it demean the achievements of others. Why do you feel this need to tear one person down and raise another? Because of seniority? I'm pretty new to these servers, and I have no idea how long most people have been here, but seniority does not make any one person here better than another. Root is constantly on the servers, as are the other admins, however, it is Root that I see displaying most of the console messages, and it typically falls to him to be the "bad guy." Most of us were simply trying to give others here a hand up and a pat on the back in these threads Batman, why feel the need to knock anyone into the mud?

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Nightfire

agreed with uchiha's top post...

yea batman, easy one the words there
i do agree with you with the wyzcrak comment though ^^ everyone luvs wyzcrak