Vulcan

Well there's nothing you can do about the problem beyond our servers, unless somebody reports it.

Registering is a very minimal requirement, In fact i don't think it's a proper requirement because it does not require you to know anything about TG. Registering on a forum is trivial. I think it should be required that you participate in the community, otherwise the TG tag has very little meaning other than you registered on the forums. Of course, That would be ok if it weren't a problem. The fact is it could very well be more of a problem in the future if we don't get a grip on it now.

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HeadChestFoot

Well, I’m still pretty new to CSS Servers, but I think the TG tag should only be for supporting members, who abide by the rules. In my world money talks, and if someone enjoys playing here, they should throw down the money to do so. I’m sure nobody cares what think anyways, but that’s what I think.

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Buck Fush

I think we should use a system similar to the Electoral College we use to elect our president. We could hold primaries every quarter and... jk

I didn't mean to start all of this, I think our current system of admins making people remove their TG tag if they're observed being idiots is fine the way it is. I was merely making the suggestion that we don't tell people how to get the TG tag in game, but refer them to our forums to read for themselves. I was playing with some guy last night then when asked by Root what his forum login name was couldn't even remember if he'd been to our forums.

CingularDuality

I think if we quit telling people that all they need to do is register in the forums to wear the tag, and instead tell them that the tag is only for members of our community that enjoy our style of gaming, that this problem will subside.

"How do I join the TG clan?"
"TG isn't a clan, it's a community."
"How do I get to wear the |TG| tag?"
"Only members of the TacticalGamer community can wear it."

End of story. Either they'll come here and join our community or they won't.

Just my 2/100 of a dollar...

Oh, and I absolutely do NOT think that the |TG| tag should be tied only to supporting membership. You can't buy our respect...

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Karkianman101

I still like my |TG| for members and |TG PCS| for handpicked players idea...

Pokerface

A tag for supporting members isn't about buying respect. People don't lay down the monthly fee to make you think that they're cool; quite the opposite, the pay because they like what TG does and what it stands for.

If you want it to be open to everyone, that's one thing. But if you think that people purchasing a membership are doing it to get on your good side, you're precisely wrong.

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Mateo

I came here through Joint Ops, so maybe I have a different take.

I came across JBRanger, Squid, Luna, Apophis, and a few others from the community that way. Not one, as I recall, actually used the tag, at least, untill they collectively shifted to the TG-42nd Tag.

Each one, however, played with style, fairness, and a sense of honor, regardless of how they called themselves. And why shouldn't they? TG plays a certain style of game. It's what sets us apart from the rest of the online gaming set.

If a member carrying the |TG| tag acts the asshat on another server, doesn't that reflect badly on our community as a whole? Just because mom and pop (or Root, Luna, Apophis, and Wyzcrak) are not around to monitor you doesn't mean that you should go "off reservation" gameplay-wise.

If you wear the |TG| tag, you are an ambassador-how you behave reflects on the community as a whole. Every time we play on a non-TG server, we have a duty to represent the community in the best way possible. Don't like it? Guess what? Don't use the tag!

Then again, if you just clean up your game to be here, you probably shouldn't be here anyway.

CingularDuality

No, no... I'm saying the opposite. Just because you pay for membership doesn't mean you get to wear the tag. In fact, whether or not you support TG financially doesn't even have anything to do with it at all. It's all about the teamplay. Period.

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HeadChestFoot

Wow ! , thank you Pokerface, nicely said ! ... " A Round of Applause "

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Root

Do you consider it unlikely that someone would pay up every month just so they can have a reserved slot? We keep telling people it's not a lot of money to find. We don't vet supporting members, we just take their money and say thank you very much. They're still required to follow our rules, but PCS is subjective, so someone could start figuring out out just how far they can go being a fragmonkey, a poor communicator, a poor team player, and still get away with it. Sure we can clamp down more and more, but that's going to stifle what little creativity CSS allows.

There's been a good response to my question so far - thank you all. Like I said, this is all just opinion gathering at the moment, and the admins will discuss further if we feel it's required.

From the players point of view, would it work it a) the admins awarded the TG tag based on PCS play or a clear willingness to learn, AND b) a minimum post/days ratio in the forum? I don't need suggestions for the exact post/days figure, just feedback on that suggestion, as well as your continued opinions on the whole matter.

What have you started Buck? You've started a healthy debate. It's not only acceptable to do so here, it's positively encouraged. Its a refreshing change from a couple of the less pleasent threads that we've recently had, so kudos to you. Personally, I think Cing has answered your original question, and whats needed is to quantify what is meant by being a part of the community.

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Noel Cower

a) I certainly wouldn't mind it, I enjoy playing on these servers and I'll abide by the rules as long as I can continue to enjoy them. If this means removing the TG tag from my name, so be it.

b) I think this is more open to debate, as someone could rack up an insane post count and still not demonstrate even a basic knowledge of PCS while playing. Granted, most people come here because they enjoy this style of play and are willing to learn the ropes (so to speak) to make their and others' experience during gameplay better.

Anyhow, my take on this is that it should be left up to the players to determine whether or not they want to show their appreciation for Tactical Gamer by placing the tag in their name. I don't think it should be a requirement to pay for it either, as obviously a lot of people play on TG servers and participate in the forums but aren't supporting members.

If during gameplay or on the forum a person shows a lack of knowledge of PCS, I think admins should be able to ask that they remove the tag from their name, but (always a but, eh?) the admins should try to help them better understand PCS (and I'm sure they already do now) and what they are doing wrong so that they can replace it soon.

Hope I made some sense there.

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Pokerface

I consider it VERY unlikely. People don't pay for a reserved slot on a server. They pay because the people around them play in a manner consistent with what they find pleasing, and they'd like to be able to enjoy that with greater frequency. Yes, we do just take their money and keep on truckin', but people don't normally part with their money without good reason. They pay because they respect the community, not because they WANT the respect of the community. And isn't that respect what the tag is really about? Not about PCS and your handle on it, it's about paying respect to the community. Supporting members have fulfilled that definition in the most literal sense.

If someone is wearing the tag and NOT respecting the community (via rulebreaking, forum flaming, or whatever) then we remove them from it and move on. All this talk about qualifications seems superfluous. Giving a damn -- be it through payment or lesser intangibles -- is really the be-all and end-all here.

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Usarion

IMO this is the best approach. This will weed out many undesirables, and those who take the time to come to the site to see what the "community" is about, and participate in it, are more likely to be the type of folks we like to see around here.

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Twisted_Firestarter

An excellent way NOT to get a TG tag: Snipe someone in their spawn.

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Buck Fush

LOL While I was playing last night, I noticed a console message that said, "Register in our forums to use the TG tag", so guess I was wrong, TG IS about collecting Steam Ids. What nefarious plot do you guys have for all of these Steam Ids?