Karkianman101

Knife kills arent just challenges. They are also psychological in a way. When I see someone just killed someone else with a knife, I get a little intimidated. It affects moral. Also, sometimes its just more fun, and the chance of gun success vs knife success is neglible enough to where fun can be favored.

Root

Buck nailed it on the head.

If you use a knife when you have the option to use a gun, you are looking for a humiliation kill. I had to switch to knife the other night, and my opponent deliberately switched from gun to knife. I was defending myself out of desperation. What was the other guy doing? A gun kill is (or should be) quicer than a knife kill. The quicker you kill someone, the quicker you are free to answer calls for backup, check the the bomb, or deal with the guy just about to plant the bomb.

I'm inclined to view regular knife users as fragmonkeys, and that kind is not welcome on our servers.

I won't answer your poll. I'm old enough and mature enough to support my team mates and play to the objective.

Root

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AzzMan

I'm really sorry but I have to disagree entirly. Some people are just GOOD with knives, I've met a couple. They might have an SG551 with a full magazine and a Five-seveN with a full mag too, but in the right circumstances they can pull out their knife and while moving properly around their enemy, "Dodge bullets" and go in for the kill.

Why? Because if they didn't, they'd most likely be jumping around and missing as well.

Granted I'm not one of those people. When I survive a situation like that, I stop firing and line up a good shot, then pop the other guy's head right off.

I really don't think age has anything to do with it. Then again, I only have one good friend younger than 18. I've kind of grown accustomed to a bit more maturity, and on the servers I try my best to show this, using the PCS rules to the best of my knowledge.

Dragonwolf72

Or when they have their eye deep in the scope of a scout.....I had a knife opp last night, but in the interest of returning to the defense of B I opt'ed for an excution style shot to the head with a deagle.

SephirothValentine

I never knife anyhow as I seem to lag just before I try to knife anyone else O_o.

Seph Out.

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asch

I believe Buck's (and Root's) point is that there are situations where the knife may be the best weapon to use. However, there have been an increasing number of cases where players are using the knife when it's not needed and in the end it costs your team.

An example of this was when both teams were down to one member. Player A had the drop on player B from behind. It would have been easy and simple to use the primary weapon or the pistol and kill the guy. However player A wanted the knife kill and tried to sneak in. Player B caught site of him just in time, was able to dodge the knife and eventually shoot back.

Buck Fush

^^^ Exactly what he said. ^^^



Leave it to Root to be the lone dissenter. :P I'm suprised by the results i thought the player base was a little younger.

Karkianman101

A case where a knife is useful is if you have the drop on several enemies, you KNOW you can knife 1, and you have a deagle. Instead of wasting 1 or 2 bullets out of 7, you save ammo, then can whip it out, and have to worry that much less about reloading.

Uchiha Obito

actually, I could see that as a valid point, if you sneak up behind a train of enemies, the most difficult option would be to knife one or 2 of the stragglers to avoid detection. This takes alot of skill and doesn't give your position away immediately. Otherwise, I don't see any use for the knife aside from: OMG I didn't buy ammo, I'm a nubcake.

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Nightfire

dude if THAT's the case, i just para them all....and i'd laugh while doing it >: )

xero

hmmm, I really dont have a problem with people attempting to knife another player except during tourney play. In normal game play I don't think the rules need to be so rigid that we are dictating what weapon they use and every little step they take. As far as shooting up a spawn site. Sure, you shouldn't probably be doing it but I think what is really getting annoying is people bossing others around for stuff like this. There are some people that cant be happy without controlling every little thing around them.

I know we all take game play serious but some members are just frickin rude on the servers. I got told to shut up last night by a member for asking root a question multiple times. Do I really need to be talked to like that after pulling a 9 hour work day and then hopping on the servers for some fun.

asch

Players come to our servers to play PCS. Knifing when it's uncalled for is not PCS.

Respect is also expected on both of our servers.

Noel Cower

Personally, I dislike it when people use the knife just for 'humiliation kills'. In fact, this happened on the TG protected server a bit ago (not naming anyone), I was the only one on my team and there were two other players on the other team (map was inferno). So I go in to plant the bomb after taking out one player who was proceeding to attack me, the other one pulls out his knife and knifes me successfully, but that's not my point. He had the option of defending the bomb site or attempting to humiliate me, and chose to go with a knife and attempt to humiliate me. I do not consider using the knife in that case in any way 'tactical' when you have a higher-powered weapon available that would be far better for defending the bomb site.

So, needless to say, I was unhappy with that.

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Karkianman101

Ived died many times shooting someone in the back, because that part of the hitbox doesnt always take much damage. They turn around and shoot me in the face. Conversely, I have gotten headshots shooting someone in the back. Guns are more powerful, but they are much less dependable and predictable. I've seen jewishninja miss shots all the time, and die gunning someone, but I have never seen him go down knifing. I'm not saying it hasnt happened, but he knifes more than anyone else I see, and he almost fails. The knife is dependable. If you are behind somebody, and you rightclick, they WILL lose half their health. If you do it again they WILL die. I once was 3-4 feet aiming at swoop. I fired, and the random projectile computations decided that every single bullet would hit around him. If I had decided to pull out a knife, I could have gotten half a kill in that situation. The point is, if you are sure you can get the knife (and it takes a trained eye and mind), it will not fail you, it will affect others on the team morally, and if they werent watching radar you didnt give away your position with gunfire.

Buck Fush

Yeah, Xero, although I agree with what you said about controling people, which was probably directed at me, this isn't about controling what weapon people use, it's about asking people to hold the team objectives higher than their own need to get a funny kill. The only reason I even brought it up was because I had watched a CT twice try to knife a T only to be killed and the CTs lost both rounds by 1 player. Had this CT used his firearm, he would have had a better chance of bringing his team a victory instead of a loss.

We are here to have fun, but our fun is supposed to include helping our team achieve a victory. If you purposefully handicap yourself, then you are also handicapping your team and that's not fair for the rest of us.