Dunkatronix

I am looking forward to seeing the new directives on Server 1 and 2 differences. As previoulsy (and there is no denying this) Server 1 did have a 'looser style' PCS play, which when games got going did then turn into true PCS play. I liked the natural transition over a few maps.

I really enjoy playing when there is professional style playing happening, making plans, setting up defences etc, whats also good is how new comers see the play evolving and join in with the increased tactics throghout an evening.

nickhastapee

If your opinion is against the basic laws of Professional Counter Strike, and/or is voiced at the improper time, then you deserved it. Just because you have been banned doesn’t mean you can’t be unbanned, talk it over with everyone's favorite admin. Remember to present your argument with maturity, you can’t just give up.

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Zephyr

Likewise...This news is most alarming and upsetting.

I petition for a PCS tag to replace this idea, the revoking of the TG tag to the common gamer will make this community more alienated than it needs to be. Right now freedom of the tag gives uncomfortable new players, who are perfectly good PCS players at heart, an incentive to stay and --Identify With A Community--. Making this tag harder to obtain, and thus revoking a poor newbies chance to identify with a community--so they can as a result mature their playing style--, threatens the introduction of new members into what is quickly becoming an "inner circle" of supporting members and administrators.

I dread the day when I go on a TacticalGamer server and hear an Administrator say "you cannot wear the TG tag because you have not reached OUR standards of play."

Oh wait...thats what this change is doing!

Administrators have the responsibility of protecting the community from those who do not share our primary value. They do not have the right to take away the tag that, while only being two brackets and two letters, is the hallmark our community's great value, a representation of all that we stand for! I do not know what you are doing with server #2, but I most certainly cannot see how it warrants the obliteration of this symbol!

On that note I would like to share what I believe the |TG| tag to signify.

First and foremost I must refute what the |TG| tag has come to mean in the CS:S Forums.
Yes I am going to say it...
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The |TG| Tag is NOT a symbol of teamwork or adherence to PCS!
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Now I shall state why I have come to this interpretation.
In my time here, which is significant, I have come to the following conclusion about the |TG| tag and its meaning in all of the games our community plays.
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The |TG| Tag is a symbol of our overaching aim of maturity that inclines the bearer to utilize teamwork, to follow rules, and to do anything else that may arise to protect that hallmark, which he or she shall be free to show with pride as the first four characters of his or her online name!
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If you want a tag that symbolizes skill and rule adherence on the CS:S servers, make it |PCS| or |TGPCS|! There is no reason to choose |TG|. I personally will not stand for the freedom of this tag to be revoked even under the special sets of rules placed into CS:S by our community!

I understand why you chose to use |TG|, but I feel this is a disasterous mistake. Please be more thoughtful with the symbol chosen to be destroyed and reinvented in the name of progress!
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

Whitetiger

Looking forward to some good games.

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pimpcain

on the contrary zephyr, i think that once new people realize what it takes to earn the TG tag, will work hard to do so if they are truly interested in PCS play. i know that as of last night (when i first read this thread) i have been trying to step up my PCS abilities and become a true contribution to my team. i will get my TG tag back!

Zephyr

No one should have to lose a TG tag...that makes me actually feel sick...you are as mature as the next man or woman and do not deserve to be shunned out because your "value to your team" is inadequate. What is the difference now between a clan tag and a |TG| tag? A |TG| tag is slightly easier to obtain yet has drawn significantly closer to a clan tag in terms of message.

Edit: Before I get misinterpretted, I am not fighting against PCS endowed individuals, I am fighting against the use of the tag that has been altered to represent it.
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

pimpcain

You have to admit that there have been a lot of players representing TG by wearing the TG tag, and have been the complete opposite of PCS. I ran into this in a game the other night. This gives us a chance to weed out the people who should not wear the tag, and i guess gives the real TG'ers a chance to show off there PCS prowess to the admins. i dont have a problem with it. TG is just two letters that precede my name, however, after this, TG will mean that i can proficiently play PCS standard counter-strike, and that i am a true team player

Uchiha Obito

I disagree with you wholeheartedly Zephyr and Canyouhearmenow7.

If these changes are upsetting to you, it's because you have little to no real clue as to how PCS works or is intended to work.

The reason that the |TG| is being restricted and not a |PCS| tag is that the majority of new people on the servers will not understand the significance of a |PCS| tag. It's very easy for someone to hop on the server, realize the server is called TacticalGamer and realize that the people wearing the |TG| are people to listen to. In this way, newcomers and regulars alike will have an assured place to look for guidance when planning or in the middle of a firefight.

You really shouldn't feel alienated by your inability to wear the tag. Are you so desperate to make yourself appear as an authority figure? If this is the case, then immerse yourself in the gameplay, don't just spout about PCS and reiterate what so many before you have said, actions speak louder than words. Because of this, the tag will actually carry some weight now, whereas before just about anyone could wear it.

I have not worn the tag in about two months now, at least not on our servers. I frequent pub servers to improve my skill in a firefight, but on these servers I will wear the |TG| tag to show others how we play here. But once I come to our servers I take it off, it carried little to no weight and it's alot easier to observe under the radar without the tag on. The quality of gameplay has been improving on the servers from what I have seen, but it's nowhere near what it was when I first found this place about 6 months ago.

There should be no reason to feel vain about wether or not you are "recognized" as a regular. A tag means nothing clan or not, show us how PCS you are on the servers.

Steel_Penguin

I agree completely with Zephyr and find this unsettling. I stand by the TG philosophy and adhere to the rules to the best of my ability in all the games i play here. I should be able to show my support in-game without having to go through a process of qualification.

I think there should instead be a |TG-PCS| tag to denote a player who has been "PCS proven". It makes more sense than having players stripped of their tags. All the other games played here let players freely use the tag as long as they follow the rules, i don't understand why the CS community thinks itself different. I don't like the idea of an exclusivist club of PCS players making the gap between newbies like me and themselves wider by reserving the tag for their own people.

I would play more often but by looking at the mood of the forum and the attitude of many of the regular players, i worry about getting in trouble with someone just because i am new and don't know the game very well. I think alot of newer players feel this way and are dissuaded from playing here.

I think we should try to make the play environment more freindly to all its players, not seem more restrictive and hostile. The TG tag is for all players who agree and adhere to a certain set of beliefs about how games should be played.

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Zephyr

I would disagree with that statement.

I believe the requirements for even attaching the |TG| tag to your name in this particular game is a reading of the PCS rules? If they do not prove to be worthy of the tag they think they so deserve, tell them they should not wear it. But do NOT refuse it to them in the first place.

Why does this have anything to do with me specifically on the server? Authority figure? I don't need to prove my authority to anyone, I am a mature gamer and that is why I deserve to wear the |TG| tag.
To you it may carry no weight, and that saddens me. To me it is a symbol, a hallmark and a blessing. I do not remove just because I am in the presence of others who share my maturity. I do not take them for granted, I am reminded every time I see that tag in my name that we are all part of something.
Thank you for missing my point...go back and read what I said two posts ago.
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

Uchiha Obito

I read your post, that is why I said that. And before, there was no requirement to read the SOPs or anything about PCS. The only requirement was that you were registered on the forums. Wyzcrak's mod only allowed the servers to detect wether or not they had your steam ID registered here, and that was the only qualifying factor for wearing the tag.

The reason it's being restricted is that in the recent months carried no weight whatsoever. People would simply come to the servers, poke around for five minutes, register their steam ID and never come back. These are the same people that were lowering the quality of play and tarnishing the |TG| tag.

I'm sorry if you feel as though this is a bad thing, but you are living in the past if you think that the tag was still carrying weight. Perhaps for you it did, but for the great majority of players it did not. The admins have been asking for changes and tried asking for some time now, the players were not as compliant as they should have been and now action is being taken.

As much as you say the tag means this or that to you, it still means nothing unless you show us on the servers. If you prove yourself, then the tag means that much more. I have seen no unification amongst players simply for the ease of being able to wear the tag. If there is, you are simply following a banner and not an ideal. If this is indeed how you feel, then it seems to me that you feel as though you only feel comfort in the presence of the tag, and this is not conducive to a team atmosphere. This change should in fact be a good thing for you, you make yourself out to be a follower from what you say. The changes to the tag system should now allow you to find someone to lead you, at least in this way you are following the ideals of PCS and not the face of it.

Pokerface

Read that over again. A lot.

|TG| is not and should not be an indication of PCS. PCS is one facet of TacticalGamer -- a foundation, to be certain, but it's still a single facet.

I'll grant for the sake of discussion that identifying the people who play Counter-Strike in the manner that we wish to play here is a good thing, but by giving them an identifier, you remove it from everyone else. Stripping the community tag from those who have not been "PCS-Proven" is a poor choice.

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Dirt013

TG Should NEVER have been regarded as simply the two letters that precede your name. What you say TG will mean to you now, is what it Always should have meant: A Team Player. You don't have to be absolutely proficient at PCS to play on our public server, you merely need to demonstrate that you are attempting to improve your proficiency.


This is just uncalled for, and the majority of your post irrelevant to the points Zephyr is trying to make.

Nothing further from me...i am in agreement with Zephyr and he's handling our mutual point of view quite well.

Dirt013

HobbitDong

TG is starting to get to serious. This is the best server to play on, but when you have people being kick and banned for some little reason is stupid. Give warning and tell them that they are out of line. Where are you gonna get if you ban and kick everyone when they make a mistake. As far as the whole tag thing goes. I have to agree with Zephyr, Canyouhearmenow7, and penguin. In the end it is still just a game and it meant for people to have fun. I completely understand the rules and follow them but extremes are being taken. All of a sudden we didnt have set boundaries and people could "rush" if they had excuse which i find dumb. Now everything is buckling down. Just dont get it. And people can go on power trips everyonce and awhile. They know who they are.

Uchiha Obito

The problem is that it is the tag of choice for the majority of people on the servers. For new people coming to the servers, this is the first thing that they see. Throwing a bunch of tags to the mix makes things alot more confusing in general. PCS is a very large part of the CS:S community, we don't have alot more to go on here. And again, the servers are named Tacticalgamer.