Sabooya

I think this is stupid... I have worn the Tag ever sense I joined TG, every time I played. I should be allowed to where it still. Why is it that when I have been supporting TG for the past 4 months (when I joined) I am now told that I am not allowed to. I feel like that is a slap in the face...

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.143 Beth©

I hate it; my name sucks so much now. It looks stupid. I'm not about TG standards it is all about the look. I can't play CS:S until I can get my tag back because without it my name looks stupid.
J/K


On a serious note I agree with the decision 100%, but it saddens me that I'm an SM, and I can't support TG visually. I accept my fate of not being an official PCS Proven member at present, but I am in Spirit and I try to play PCS all the time. I am sure in the near future I will be accepted by my peers. Until then I will not change my attitude towards TG, which is always a good one, and I'll try to get noticed by the big guy overseas.

My message to all Players:
If you don't like the decision, don't be discouraged. If anything at all use it as you "Tacklin Fuel". Try harder to play by PCS standards, and push yourself to be accepted. I know lots of you put lots of time and/or money into TG, and you feel oppressed that you still can be a part of the "in-group." Whatever you do, don't complain, JUST DO IT!! Play harder, and be optimistic.

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Uchiha Obito

Just to clarify my own position:

I am in agreement with the admin's decision to do this because of the end result that I see behind this. If it will improve the quality of play on the servers for everyone then I can deal with not being able to wear the tag while I'm on the servers. I can wear it elsewhere and spread the PCS way of playing. I am very rarely on the servers lately because the quality of play is disgusting to me. The past few times I have been on have been great, but it's going to take more than that to make me think that the quality of play has greatly improved on the whole. The quality of play on these servers must go up, otherwise you lose players to other games in the TG community where they can go and find better PCS play.

Zephyr

A joke as you may call it, you push an idea that you are about...standards...

standards...

Do I have to say more? Or is my disgust obvious enough?
When you came to this community you did not try to get the big guy's attention, he tried to get yours. You wear the |TG| tag as a constant reminder that you are part of a mature community and that you do not need to prove yourself to anyone but yourself.
So basically you are saying dont complain about how so many of us are losing the greatest hallmark of who we are as gamers. We should instead become enraged and competative because this is how we will now obtain our tag?

This change is implying that skill and the following of rules warrants the right to be called mature and thus wear the |TG| tag. That is a lie.
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

Root

So what you're saying, is that if someone joins this community, even becomes an SM to get a reserved slot, but doesn't give a damn about PCS, they should be allowed to wear a TG tag. You understand, that these people then end up setting a terrible example to the next generation of new people?

These changes have been brought about by a number of people, who's attitude has been one of immaturity, non-objective, non-team, non-tactical play, whilst wearing our tag. They are the people who have nothing better to do than start personal attacks on PCS players both in-game and in the forums.

Still, your opinion is that those people should be allowed to wear the TG tag, and you're certainly entitled to it. There won't be a change to this policy. Pokerface manages to be correct and incorrect at the same time. PCS is only one facet of TG, but at the same time, PCS *is* TG as far as CS:S is concerned.

There isn't a single PCS player who will be prevented from wearing the TG tag once all the changes we're making are in place. There isn't a single TG member who should be playing on our PCS servers, unless their goal is to participate in PCS.

Root

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Ferret

I don't really know what to say. I guess it really doesn't matter but it does strike my curiosity...

I read this thread earlier prior to playing just a few minutes ago. I got the auto kick once I joined, figuring it was because of this thread. I just joined the PCS Proven group a day or two ago and because of that I guess I didn't expect my tag to be terminated, atleast for now I guess. So what's going to constitute getting the tag back? I know displaying a keen perception of PCS is a given, but I'm sure one or two admins know a few players who are very capable of doing so. So how long is it going to take? Is anyone able to use it at this point (the TG tag)?

But like I said I guess it doesn't really matter to me, I'm just more or less curious...

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Trooper

isnt this what TG is all about.....

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Root

Yeah something went wrong on the tech side. I've been working on that this evening. My next step is to go to Wyz for more help. If resolving the issue is going to take too long, we simply go to plan B, which is remove the restriction until we get it sorted.

Root

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Rincewind

I'll gladly remove my TG tag when I play.

Although, it saddens me to see TG on CS:S turn back into a by-trials-only-clan with a select few (be they admins or not) choosing the elite and worthy. For my week off, I'll be getting back into TG:BF2 where I see effort and camaraderie are still valued.

I just wish BF2 loaded as fast as CS:S Going back to the 6 minute map load is gonna be... tough.

*mumbles something about upgrading*

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Ferret

I figured it had something to do with that. Thanks.

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Phantom

Zephyr this has nothing to do with trying to make people more competitive and rampage through the servers, it is doing quite the opposite. By limiting the TG tag we are making it impossible for those that are even members on the forums, even supporting members, that don't care about PCS. If we let anybody wear the TG tag then people will play on the server with the TG tag and just act like fragmonkeys and give the wrong impression to newcomers.

If you came onto the server for the first time, saw somebody with the |TG| tag on and immediately saw them hopping around the map looking for kills and ignoring the objective what would you think of TG? You would think that it is just another place where people act like fragmonkeys on the server, at this point you would do one of two things. One you would realize how awesome fragmonkeying is, stick around, and get kicked by the first admin that gets on. Two you would stay on the server, play the objective and hope other like minded players showed up in force soon. Or three you would leave.

We don't want one or three happening at all on our servers. This is why the TG tag has been restricted on the servers. Those members that have been around along time, supported the community, and demonstrated a working knowledge of PCS will in time be allowed to wear the |TG| tag. Everybody else will not, because they do not represent what TG is all about.

Once the entire revamping of the Counter Strike: Source community at Tactical Gamer is complete this will all make sense and be for the greater good of the community.

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Mateo

It saddens me that the players of CounterStrike at Tactical Gamers care more about the f-ing tag than your level of play.

The admins have removed the tag because the quality of play does not meet the standards that TG aspires to.

You cannot seperate PCS from Tactical Gamer. You use the |TG| tag on one of our CounterStrike servers, you acknowledge and accept that the way we play the game is different from everywhere else, and you abide by the rules of the community. This community plays by PCS rules.

It is not something that you can pick and choose. It's not like BF2, where you can use the tag, but not be in an organized squad.

There is no "yeah, I support teamwork, I wear the tag, but I don't play PCS" option.

Whereas Zephyr cherishes it, the majority of CounterStrike players that have taken the |TG| tag have sullied it.

In response, we have no choice. You want the tag back? Earn it. Show the admins that you play PCS, every round, every day, everytime you log into the server.

Zephyr

If this mystery person would not have already been banned from the server for his behavior by you or any other competant administrator AND could deal with the loathing of all the mature players around him day after day AND would be willing to sacrifice his money toward a community to get a reserved slot on a server where he does not fit in nor is liked, then perhaps a re-evaluation of his right to wear the tag is indeed in order.

Would you not agree that this is a rare, if not improbable, case?

So the solution is to strip everyone of their right to a tag that identifies them with their home? So that people will line up in file and march to whatever is said so they can obtain the mark of their community that should have already accepted them on the basis of their maturity? I smell a clan.

It is my hypothesis that this situation could only arise from administrators not being rigorous enough in the enforcement of server rules and the removal of the bad eggs from the good. With your new rules for tags, you will get bad eggs and good eggs. Oh they will listen to you and follow your precious rules, but they will not be mature gamers. Thus, they will not belong in TG, nor are they following the same philosophy. I reiterate, I smell a clan.

As long as PCS operates under the TG servers and the larger TG community, it is its duty to allow the |TG| tag to be worn by those who feel that they are ready to prove themselves to themselves as mature gamers.
Yes that is right folks! Not a single PCS PLAYER! What about other players from other parts of the very same community who will come to this server expecting the equal treatment and help they get everywhere else and will instead find themselves surrounded by elitists who demand a superior level of skill and rule-abiding in order to even wear the SAME TAG! I SEE A CLAN! Oh...it disgusts me...
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

Pokerface

Of course that's not what he's saying. Someone not following the rules should be removed.

What he IS saying is that you're removing the ability to identify with the community on the sole basis of one narrow facet of it.

Don't think about who DOES wear the tag. Think about who's NOT wearing the tag, and what you're taking from them.

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Root

Aside from those who are the victim of technical difficulties mentioned below, the people we're NOT letting wear the tag are people who play to the letter of our rules, but not to the spirit. They're the people who go round after round not communicating ANY information when they think there are no admins around. They are the people that post in these forums bragging about how good they are at the game. They are the people who come to our server because it has a good ping, and do the bare minimum to be able to continue using our server.

Root

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