Ferret

Just for the record, because I'm not sure if I came off as irritated at the fact that I can't wear the tag for now or whatever, I'm not!

It honestly does not bother me. Take your time.

Just wanted to clear that up just in case.

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.143 Beth©

Ok, dude. Chill out. I had no hateful or discouraging opinions, ideas, or undertones. I take offense to your lashings. Please, I'm not trying to undermine, or disrespect anyone here.


1) I might not be reading this right, but firstly I think you are trying to take a swing at my game play standards, which I think need some improvement, but are still rather high in reference to the previous game play on the server.
2) I don’t think anyone is making an attempt to cater to me in any way. In this world you have to apply yourself, not wait for others to come to you.
3) I understand the problem here. Why fight it anyway. It is only temporary. Just let the admins sort out the PCS players, and then a decision will be made.

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canyouhearmenow7

Root. I know you don't like me, but It seems to me that you have a big grudge against skilled players. I always hear you compare non PCS or low-level PCS players to good people with skills. Just because someone's good, doesn't mean they aren't a good PCS player. I don't think I've seen anyone post in this fourms bragging about their skill level.

Lt.Snow

I have put the TG tag in front of my name because of what it represents the best servers and gamers around. I'm not the greatest players around, but I will play as tactically as I can so that I can show everyone that I play with some of the best. I hope these new rules don’t harm TGs reputation as the best around, TG has hard rules, but its for the best.


TactG.LtSnow

Uchiha Obito

And there is the core of most people's problem with the new tag system. But what do you feel like you are losing? Certainly not your identity, b/c that comes with your SN. A home? but isn't that supposed to be here on the forums? Perhaps you feel like you're losing your favorite hangout, but how are you losing it? The same people will still frequent the servers, and you certainly can't feel as though your rights have been violated. You're a guest on the TG servers quite technically you have no rights to lose in the first place, simply entitlements that you receive.

edit: Talk of skilled players....
People are bringing level of skill into play, but nowhere do I see where an admin mentions that you have to be skilled to wear the TG tag. If you are a contributing member of the community and demonstrate a mindset for teamwork and strategizing then you will get to wear the tag in due time. Skill has nothing to do with playing here, if I want to play CPL or TWL I'll go to a server that does that sort of thing. The TG servers are an entirely different kind of animal.

Pokerface

It could also be people who think that the PCS program is a flawed idea, but respect the general level of maturity in a TacticalGamer server. Who feel that they have nothing to prove, but still play a fine game.

This is reminding me of college, when the class president wanted everyone to wear brown ribbons with our caps and gowns signifying that they signed a pledge to do good things for society and the environment and stuff after we graduated. I pointed out that those WITHOUT the ribbon would be seen as lessers for not having signed it, even though their reasons for doing so were highly unlikely to be "Yeah, I plan to rape and pillage the neighboring town right after I get handed my diploma".

By raising someone up, you necessarily put everyone else down. To shut out |TG| because someone hasn't been PCS-blessed is to attach a stigma to everyone without the tag, even TG regulars who have exhibited knowledge and maturity in other aspects of the community.

Again, I'm all for a tag for the PCS-blessed. I just don't think it should be |TG|.

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Zephyr

This community is TG. Your CS:S server is just a tiny part of us. You will NOT substitute the meaning of the |TG| tag (maturity) for PCS (rules and regulations)! That is a direct violation of what the community at large stands for!
If you see these people is it NOT YOUR DUTY TO REMOVE THEM? Also, I dont see MATURITY in that sentence? Please tell me you just forgot to put it in there? I can't see how you would...but I can forgive a mistake like that.

You guys do enforce maturity on your servers as the #1 aim correct?
...right?

I hate to point fingers, but if the |TG| tag has been sullied it is because some administrators are not doing their jobs when it comes to watching individuals play. I was on the server for the first time in months the other night, someone unleashed two pretty big curse words in the same sentence and absolutely no reprimand (outside of automatic censorship) was employed. All other servers I have played on here would not have let that slip. The server was full and I do believe TheFenix was present, if I should need backup for that argument.

You have decided that the solution to this problem is to make it harder to obtain the |TG| tag rather than to enforce what kind of individuals make it into our server in the first place.
-Zephyr
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

Root

Can you say drama? Can you say scaremongering? We've had TG members who normally play other games give PCS a try. They tend to fit in rather well, because they tend to be the kind of people TG is designed for. Big C, Steel Penguin, Violentsquirrel, Sloppy Joe - none of these guys have been treated as less-than by the PCS players. They're all a joy to have on your team. You clearly don't know what PCS is about if you think skill has anything to do with it. If skill has anything to do with PCS then how the hell am I regarded as a PCS player? I can't hit a planet from 20 feet away.

It's interesting to note the division between those opposed to this (and most other changes), and those who support the admins (after putting forward any concerns in a reasonable manner). I should start gambling large amounts of cash on who's going to post for / against when we make changes. Why is it so predictable? Because the majority (see that? I said majority, not ALL) of people who don't like the changes we make don't belong on our PCS server. If their attitude and conduct on our PCS server is an indication of them in general, they don't belong at TG, but I'll leave that to the GO's and admins of other games here to decide.

You're opposed to the change. You've stated that you believe everyone from the purest PCS player to the biggest prat with a TG account should be allowed to wear the tag on our PCS servers. That's fine. I have no problem with you repeatedly expressing that opinion, but please, I'm on a low hysteria diet at the moment, so please try to reduce the amount I have to ingest when I read these forums

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Root

You came off as curious. Does that help? And thanks for your continued support.

Root

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Zephyr

Hey no hard feelings, I just dont happen to agree with what you say is criteria for wearing the |TG| tag.

1) I have no problem with standards as long as they are the individuals standards, not someone elses. The mature individual who wears the |TG| tag will attempt as hard as he can to enforce high standards on himself out of respect for the community he is part of.
2) When you first came to the server, were you not awed by the friendliness and kindness of the adminstrators and members? I should hope you were, I was back when I first arrived...a long time ago...ah the memories...
3)Because Beth...someone has to fight it...if no one fights change, stupid changes may be made. I may be wrong, perhaps I am arguing the wrong side after all, but I wont let go of what I believe. If we can't express our opinions and fight against authority when we believe it is wrong, we run the risk of losing something very great...
-Zephyr

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You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it.

You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer.

Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline.

Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise.

We are no clan.
We are not a single game.
We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals.
We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

Phantom

Zephyr if we as admins and temp-admins did what you are asking then we would NEVER EVER have a new member on the server for more then 5 minutes. 99.9% of the time when a person joins the server for the first time within 5 minutes they have done something against our style of play. So if we did what you ask then all these people would get removed from the server and not have a chance to learn PCS and the TG way.

That is why we DO NOT do that. By doing this it allows those that demonstrate a working knowledge of PCS, and thus the TG way, to display the TG tag. It also allows new people to join the server, get told off for making a mistake, and learn from their mistakes. When they learn from their mistakes then they eventually will obtain a working knowledge of PCS and will be allowed to wear the TG tag with pride knowing that they fully understand and support the way of TG.

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Uchiha Obito

I also find it disheartening to hear Zephyr trying to argue with the admins when he has not been present in months by his own estimation. I feel the same about Pokerface, as much as you can do for the community, how can you speak out against the admins in a game which you do not visit? Yes, this is TG, but Maturity has never been an issue on our servers, dig through the older posts, most of the problems stem from an issue with PCS and that is the issue being addressed.

canyouhearmenow7

|TG| for regulars who understand PCS for the most part and are trying to their best ability to learn it and have a good level of maturity. |TG| for people who cooperate with their team and can help new people feel welcomed.

|PCS-Proven| for those who are selected by the administration as individuals who understand PCS and play it exceptional well. People wearing the |PCS-Proven| tag can be role models for others.

It's not that difficult. Is it?

ender.7i

Agreed.

It is absolutely ridiculous that players are getting automatically booted for killing a hostage... we're not perfect; we make mistakes. I've yet to see someone deliberatly shoot or kill a hostage. If people were, then I could see why an auto boot should be in place, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Auto slaying for a team kill is another thing that I don't like. The new skins have made it hard for some to distinguish who is and isn't a teammate. As the same with killing a hostage, I've yet to see someone run around trying to kill teammates. If that was happening, then an auto slay would make sense. Not only does a player get punished for accidentally killing a teammate, but the team as a whole loses two players immediately.

This server used to be really enjoyable when I first started playing on it, but it has become way too serious. Isn't the game supposed to be for fun? Having to deal with an administrator who has a habit of going on powertrips doesn't help. Nor does having that same person say "you communicate as much as a corpse" regardless of how many times you tell your team what bombsite you are protecting, etc. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do. I don't have a microphone, so that makes it harder to communicate, but I almost always tell my team where I will be; during play, I use the radio commands and I let my team know where an enemy is or is going.

Now with these new requirements for "earning" the tag, I don't know if I'll be around here much longer when everything is set in place. To be honest, I couldn't care less what it takes to earn the tag since I didn't even wear one before; I just want to play a style that is the complete opposite of a deathmatch.

What's being put in place with some of these rules is a demand for perfection. Is PCS all about that?

Root

Us and them? I don't think that's a particularly mature way to approach this.

Now you're calling an admin out in public because you feel they didn't do their job properly? That's COMPLETELY against the rules in this community.

Root

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