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Count me in.

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Root

Just a thought - there seems to be a hell of a lot of interest here. To avoid people getting left out, why not organise a match between non-provens?

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measley

Do we have enough for a full tournament?

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Root

A tournament isn't going to happen yet. In the mean time, we can keep these scrims going indefinitely.

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Pla`/er

That could work, maybe even have a PCS leader for each team.

doorway 27

Good idea root, count me in.

I also like Player's idea

Root

It's not without merit. Very well : a PCSP should command the non provens team next time, and a single slot will be opened up on the provens team, so that we still get 6 from each group participating.

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sleprock

I am not sure about this idea these matches are a good time for the Non-Proven players to show what they are made of we know the PCS can lead and follow and work as a TEAM. I fell these scrims should remain PCS VS. NPPCS, this will allow the PCS members who select and vote on new PCS player a better way to evaluate the other players. Besides that, it keeps it a fun way to throw digital lead at the PCS.

Root

Your post lacks much value, due to the lack of punctuation.

That said, I see your point about the non provens showing what they're capabale of. It should be taken into consideration. Let's proceed with the next match as outlined in my previous post, and then come back to the discussion afterwards.

You non provens (or "as yet unprovens" as you should perhaps be referred to?) can chat amongst yourselves as to how you want the teams to be organised ongoing.

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Spyder

I personally don't see the need for a PCSP babysitter on the NPCSP team. I mean, it's not like we're just having a pickup with whoever happens to be on the server at the time. You're preassembling a group of committed forum regulars, so you know for a fact they atleast know where the SOP's are. It is certainly needful to have somebody step up as a team leader to help organization and whatnot, but having one assigned is a bit of a joke.

I think the context player was talking about if you're going to assemble several NPCSP teams to scrim eachother it might be helpful to to have PCSP people there, which I can see merit in, but for the PCSP vs NPCSP matches as they have been going on, assigning a PCSP to the NPCSP team comes off like you don't think us N-types can handle ourselves.

Probably not your intent, but that's the way alot of the PCSP people have been coming off on server 1 lately, and it has led to a general dislike of the PCSP people by the rest of us. You're starting to not come off as people who excel at tactical gameplay, but rather people who use their status to do whatever they want, and then cry foul when the rest of us try it. To use an analogy, stuff is going from "Do as I do" in reguards to PCSP to "Do as I say and not as I do"

Going to stop now before I get into a rant I can sense is building. Hopefully I was better able to put to words the previous misgivings.

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Root

They're not there to babysit. They're there so that their skills are of benefit to the non proven team.


Which would (by your definition) also be babysitting, no? I saw nothing in Player's post to indicate this is what he meant.

I don't seem to have a PM from you, citing specifically what happened in a specific incident that specifically affected you in an adverse way. Can I assume this is down to the server not delivering PM's promptly? You're talking about the conduct of other players, and I'm sure you'll agree that we have a SOP in place that deals with this?

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Spyder

So you think we need them?

NPCS vs NPCS is more like a training skrim so it would be at that point beneficial to have consultation from somebody who knows exactly where the rules lie, NPCS vs PCSP is more competative thing. There is a difference.

Simple answer for that one. You don't call the cops on every little minor offense because you believe that nothing significant will (or possibly can) be done about it directly by an official. This is why we have the forums in the first place, to iron out these little problems through discussion. I wasn't aware you were taking the route of putting the SS in CSS.

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Root

With my CS planning ability, do I need Ben on my team? Not in the slightest, but he's still a welcome addition, and I'm happy to yield command of the team to him. The same applies here.

I agree there's a difference, but again, I can't see that Player was talking about anything other than the next match between the PCSP's and the non-provens.

If something is worth complaining about here, it's worth following the SOP for. I get a fair amount of complaining from members, and it often contains reference to "other people". The rules and procedures in place for this community are there so that when a player has a problem, they take that specific problem to an admin, rather than complaining about it in the forums. The admin can then resolve the issue, and the player making the complaint has an escalation option available if they're unsatisfied.

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Spyder

Look at it this way. I and probably a few other of the NPCSP people look at these matches as being able to prove they can hold their own with the big boys at their own game. You are essentially saying you are going to "spot us" a PCSP player. So now, if at some point, that player decides to take control of the team, I have neither validated nor invalidated my base ambition in playing the match. It's not that he wouldn't be useful, it's more that I don't think you need to force one on us. If we want one, and you're amneable to it, we'll ask for somebody.

This post, which was two or three above his, and the fact that he said "maybe even have a PCS leader for each team." which makes no sense if one team is entirely pcsp players in the first place, made me believe he was talking about NPCSP teams going at it.

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/468037-post17.html


And if I had a specific problem with a specific player, I would do so. However, sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Meaning there are a lot of incredibly minor incidents almost not worth mentioning that are contributing to something that might be worth mentioning. It might not be something that can be fixed with an ultimatum from above. Sometimes the only way to solve a problem is to make people aware that the problem might exist. That's the whole point of bringing it up here and not in PM's with the admins.

In it's most basic form, I feel there has been a general negativity between the groups as late. I want to make people aware of it. It may be that I'm taking things out of context and seeing shadows in the bushes, as it were. If I am, I expect to hear disagreements with my statement. If that's so, then I was mistaken and need to shut up. If people agree with me, then maybe there is something to what I'm saying, and now people hopefully see that through the discussion, and in doing so, think just a little bit. Thinking encourages action, in this case people (myself included) putting a little more thought into how they're acting/speaking to eachother. Problem Solved. Simply having an admin issue diciplinary action encourages people to react, but not necissarily to think, which means the perceived problem might return.

/rant. There is really nothing more for me to say on the subject, and this is really not the right thread for this, If I feel the need I will open one where appropriate, but as to the issue we were originally discussing, I think all of the points have been made.

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section-8

you gotta admit...thats pretty clever

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