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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulmar View Post
    i suppose, but then again that is like my situation in the first place, we are already halfway in position to flank and go ahead. But then again this probably all happened because of bad communication from the bomb site defenders.
    Well that's the point of the problem. The bomb defenders were in a position to flank before anything even happened. That's not objective based play. Some maps allow for flanks because it's very easy to do so. In forest this just isn't the case. People will abandon the site to make up that distant and that is unnacceptable.

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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Well that's the point of the problem. The bomb defenders were in a position to flank before anything even happened. That's not objective based play. Some maps allow for flanks because it's very easy to do so. In forest this just isn't the case. People will abandon the site to make up that distant and that is unnacceptable.
    The bomb defenders, im supposing you mean from the other bomb site, were in a position to flank after some stuff had happened i believe we killed one of yours and saw bomber on radar, i think it was a scouter that could see pretty far from that one hiding spot but im not sure, so yes something did happen and the bomb defenders at the bombsite you guys were heading called it out so we took up action on their word.




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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulmar View Post
    The bomb defenders, im supposing you mean from the other bomb site, were in a position to flank after some stuff had happened i believe we killed one of yours and saw bomber on radar, i think it was a scouter that could see pretty far from that one hiding spot but im not sure, so yes something did happen and the bomb defenders at the bombsite you guys were heading called it out so we took up action on their word.
    If people think they can abandon the site on a call that the bomb was spotted they are mistaken. You have to realize that the objective does not change, you still must guard the bombsite at all times. If you spot the bomber, big deal, it's good info. That doesn't mean abandon the site, rush forward to the bomb and try to kill the other team.

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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    If people think they can abandon the site on a call that the bomb was spotted they are mistaken. You have to realize that the objective does not change, you still must guard the bombsite at all times. If you spot the bomber, big deal, it's good info. That doesn't mean abandon the site, rush forward to the bomb and try to kill the other team.
    Our info we got from the other defenders was that you guys were moving up fast w/ bomb, in forest that is a big deal if you have played it because you cannot get in position and try to defuse if you have to run all the way over from A to B because the timer is simply not long enough to have you either take out the whole team or just suicide defuse. I sent over 2 of my men from A to B, while i stood back at A for a bit then i came over and you know what happened after that. But again this was just bad info, and is not the flankers fault.




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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulmar View Post
    Our info we got from the other defenders was that you guys were moving up fast w/ bomb, in forest that is a big deal if you have played it because you cannot get in position and try to defuse if you have to run all the way over from A to B because the timer is simply not long enough to have you either take out the whole team or just suicide defuse. I sent over 2 of my men from A to B, while i stood back at A for a bit then i came over and you know what happened after that. But again this was just bad info, and is not the flankers fault.
    That's because they were to far. Simple math, the shortest point from A to B is a straight line.

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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    That's because they were to far. Simple math, the shortest point from A to B is a straight line.
    The flankers were watching the mid pathway to A, and just had to run across the river and keep going straight and they were in flanking position, rather than running all the way up the river and then taking a left, which in this case didnt seem appropiate according to the bad intel from the bombsite defenders that you guys were moving up fast.




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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by .tritone. View Post
    While we're on the subject, sortof, while a CT on forest I tend to run up w/the scout and watch the very back end of the river for t's running across.

    I did that once with section or hardcash or somebody on my team and they kept mentioning, "hey, that's a little far up, isn't it?"

    I've always considered the river mine as a CT and haven't really been told directly that I shouldn't be up far enough to see the very back. I consider it an excellent position as I can almost always see the T's running across the river and with a high percentage of accuracy let the team know which bomb site they're going for. After I slaughter the team a few times trying to sneak across they tend to smoke it up a bit (as they SHOULD do), so it's not as if they have no defense against a scouting CT in the river.

    Are there any boundaries on the river for CTs?

    (I've also been guilty of flanking the T's in forest, but only when I'm starting from that deep-river position, we have coverage mid river to watch the fallback, and the bomb has been spotted in the way to B.)
    The thing about the river is that Ts spawn right next to the end of the river, so if you can see any more than the end of it on the T's side, you are looking into T spawn.
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    Re: Flanking

    Just cover your bomb sites, cover them so when a man goes down you can get back to it before a plant. thats how far you should be. It depends how many T's are left. If the CT see 2 T's and theres 4 left, it is unwise to flank. Its the trap factor. Always leave a man on the opposite site until the bomber is on top of the site or edicated as Vulcan would say.

    As far as the Italy flank. Sorry but its a lame flank. Unless you flank with a 2nd T. Why because that is a suicide flank for 1 T and that to me is KILLHUNTING 2 T's make it a team effort and you using comms. I don't like it but I can handle that flank.
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    Re: Flanking

    It doesn't have to be a suicide flank...but I think most people cosnider a flank something you rush into. Not something you maneuver and position yourself into. 1 man can wreak a lot of havoc and generate a lot of chaos behind enemy lines AND survive. That's usually more than enough time for pinned down defense to refortify.

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    Re: Flanking

    The best postion to take on that flank is with a second T. You have to clear market so you can push to middle. There is no cover for that flank. It puts the T's at a loss of a man. Yeah it works but if these guys move slow and also watch that middle as they move in it shouldnt be a problem. Best thing would be for the T to peak out and shoot the man on the middle roof. Theres ya flank. Again to move to middle you must be sure the market is cleared. That would be going to far to make the flank work unless the 2nd T watched your back.
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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by sparhawkxx View Post
    The best postion to take on that flank is with a second T. You have to clear market so you can push to middle. There is no cover for that flank. It puts the T's at a loss of a man. Yeah it works but if these guys move slow and also watch that middle as they move in it shouldnt be a problem. Best thing would be for the T to peak out and shoot the man on the middle roof. Theres ya flank. Again to move to middle you must be sure the market is cleared. That would be going to far to make the flank work unless the 2nd T watched your back.
    Indeed, That's the only real validity i can see to even going out there. Otherwise you're just asking to be picked off. Luckily most of the players understand that on the server.

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    Re: Flanking

    So a 2-man flanking team is a bit more acceptable here, then?

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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by .tritone. View Post
    So a 2-man flanking team is a bit more acceptable here, then?
    what? Did you read all the posts? It's completely situational and depending on the intent.

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    Re: Flanking

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    what? Did you read all the posts? It's completely situational and depending on the intent.
    No, I know, but in situations where a single man going Rambo is not okay sending a two man squad would be considered more acceptable?

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    Re: Flanking

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