Terrorist using hostages as shields - Page 2

FOX9 · 02-12-2005, 07:58 PM

But what happens when a CT uses the hossie as shield? Like Yer Mom said, this happens to me frequently.

**CingularDuality** · 02-12-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FOX9

But what happens when a CT uses the hossie as shield? Like Yer Mom said, this happens to me frequently.

How does this happen? CTs can only do this when they're trying to scoot back to the rescue point. At that point, the CT's survival is paramount to the survival of the hostages. Once the terrorists lose control of the hostages, they no longer have a reason to try to protect the hossies...

I rarely see a CT that has captured the hostages stop to engage in a firefight.

Yer Mom · 02-13-2005, 11:12 AM

I think that this has come to more of an arguement than a discussion.

The way that I see it and understand it is as follows:

If I am the only person left on my team, I am going to use ever possible tactic required for my team to win. Not just for me to get the win, but for the team. I've spent countless rounds being the last person alive and wishing I had a hostie to hide behind. Sometimes that is not applicable.

I understand the rules and the standards and I do think that I abide by them fairly well. Although, I have had... requests... for me to change the way I talk in competition. As in, "JOO R ALL DEAD I PWNT JOO ALL IN TEH FACE PLACE!!"

That simply means, "I'm going to kill you all by shooting you in the face," if anyone wondered. Heh

Normally, as it is played out, I don't come in contact with hosties, and when I do, if I hear them scream, I know that the enemy or me has shot one and I normally move. Unless it's definately not me.

But sometimes, my reaction times are faster than my thinking times and I do blast through a hostie. I think that that's human nature and self-defense. As I play further into CSS, I get more into the game. The feeling of me actually being in the game and real comes to mind because I have this big *** headphones that makes everything seem so real it's scary sometimes.

This "arguement" could go on forever, so I'm going to stop posting here after this... lol

I do hope that you all understand my antic tactics and don't have a problem with them. And of course, if you do, speak to me about it and I will be sure to change it. If I could afford it, I'd pay 30 or 40 dollars a month to be a part of this community, and I would do anything to keep my rights here. I love the crowd, the gameplay, and the idiocy at late-night...

That's just my 2 cents, and you know how to contact me if you'd like to talk personally...

-Mom

FOX9 · 02-13-2005, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yer Mom

I think that this has come to more of an arguement than a discussion.

If I am the only person left on my team, I am going to use ever possible tactic required for my team to win. Not just for me to get the win, but for the team. I've spent countless rounds being the last person alive and wishing I had a hostie to hide behind. Sometimes that is not applicable.

I understand the rules and the standards and I do think that I abide by them fairly well. Although, I have had... requests... for me to change the way I talk in competition. As in, "JOO R ALL DEAD I PWNT JOO ALL IN TEH FACE PLACE!!"

That simply means, "I'm going to kill you all by shooting you in the face," if anyone wondered. Heh

Normally, as it is played out, I don't come in contact with hosties, and when I do, if I hear them scream, I know that the enemy or me has shot one and I normally move. Unless it's definately not me.

But sometimes, my reaction times are faster than my thinking times and I do blast through a hostie. I think that that's human nature and self-defense. As I play further into CSS, I get more into the game. The feeling of me actually being in the game and real comes to mind because I have this big *** headphones that makes everything seem so real it's scary sometimes.

This "arguement" could go on forever, so I'm going to stop posting here after this... lol

I do hope that you all understand my antic tactics and don't have a problem with them. And of course, if you do, speak to me about it and I will be sure to change it. If I could afford it, I'd pay 30 or 40 dollars a month to be a part of this community, and I would do anything to keep my rights here. I love the crowd, the gameplay, and the idiocy at late-night...

That's just my 2 cents, and you know how to contact me if you'd like to talk personally...

-Mom

If I am the lone soldier against a few CTs on hossie map, my team winning is way more important than me staying alive. If possible, I may try to use one or two hossies to protect myself only if I am in the immediate area and other cover cannot be found. If I am lone, that means my whole team sacrificed themselves for me and for the better of the team. I am not going to dissapoint by trying to "keep my equip" as I have heard A LOT lately.....*sigh* (especially on de_ maps, getting really sad)
I don't know about all of you, but I could give a crap less about my equip, my gun, or my money. If I have to, I blow up with the bomb EVERY SINGLE ROUND. Even when I DONT HAVE TO, I still choose to die to further ensure the success of the mission.

LOL HAHAHA I used to talk like that too, all kinds of crazy language used to get slung outta my mouth

I'm trying my best to not do that anymore. Not even for the maturity factor. I am 19 y/o and I am perfectly capable of acting like an adult (if nessecary

) It is really just a fun way to type things out. But either way, I soppose others look to it as childish

Sometimes I blast my way through a hossie on accident not realizing, just trying to get the dang CT!. That is due to reaction without thinking. Just like Yer Mom said, this is due to the instinct being pounded into you from years of CStrike. I'm trying to think more before I act....... it's just getting me killed more

LOL of course I understand and love your actics!
I wish I had money just to get a reserved slot

, college life sux
And finally, the community..... what can I say? I luv ya!

Oh, and CingularDuality. This happens to me most on Italy or Office I would say. CT doesn't even "use" the hossie first. He/she just pushes them upstairs and crouches behind them. This is an example on Italy. For Office, same thing the "use" them for half a sec so they can get them outta the corner in the "couch room", then they "unuse" them and push them to the projector room using the hossies as cover.

...sad.........................................

K2_the_Turtle · 02-13-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FOX9

Oh, and CingularDuality. This happens to me most on Italy or Office I would say. CT doesn't even "use" the hossie first. He/she just pushes them upstairs and crouches behind them. This is an example on Italy. For Office, same thing the "use" them for half a sec so they can get them outta the corner in the "couch room", then they "unuse" them and push them to the projector room using the hossies as cover.

...sad.........................................

Doing that is just wrong.

**CingularDuality** · 02-13-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX9

Oh, and CingularDuality. This happens to me most on Italy or Office I would say. CT doesn't even "use" the hossie first. He/she just pushes them upstairs and crouches behind them. This is an example on Italy. For Office, same thing the "use" them for half a sec so they can get them outta the corner in the "couch room", then they "unuse" them and push them to the projector room using the hossies as cover.

...sad.........................................

You haven't seen that on our server, have you? That's definitely not the way the objective was meant to be used and will result in a kick if I ever see it being done...

**CingularDuality** · 02-13-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yer Mom

I do hope that you all understand my antic tactics and don't have a problem with them.

If you're referring to simply blasting through the hostages without attempting to get an angle on the terrorist hiding behind them, then, yeah, I have a problem. On our server, no player should EVER intentionally shoot a hostage. Regardless of who is hiding behind the hostage. Ever.

FOX9 · 02-13-2005, 08:21 PM

Yes CingularDuality, this has happened to me on a TacticalGamer.com owned server. Italy and Office seem to be the most abused. Also, Office gets abused in other ways, but I think I will start a new thread for that issue.

Yer Mom · 02-13-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

If you're referring to simply blasting through the hostages without attempting to get an angle on the terrorist hiding behind them, then, yeah, I have a problem. On our server, no player should EVER intentionally shoot a hostage. Regardless of who is hiding behind the hostage. Ever.

I think I've put this the wrong way. Blasting thru the hosties was not meant to sound as if I were aiming for the hosties. Of course, I'm going to try my damnedest to take out the enemy first, and secure the hosties afterwards.

I don't aim for the hosties, I aim for the terrorist.

Also, on office, I've never experienced what FOX is talking about, but I have experienced terrorists crouching on top of hosties waiting for me to come through the door.

Now, I'm not physically fit, and if I were and I were a hostie, I still wouldn't be able to hold a damned 140 pound, at least, man above my head as he shoots at people that are trying to save my life.

If we're going to talk about things being, and kept, realistic, then we should definately discuss this.

Is this abuse of hosties, or is it simple tactics?

And what should I do in the matter of this happening? Shoot first, ask questions later? Aim and hope? I'm not sure, and I think no one else is, and that's why this tactic always works. No one wants to shoot for a hosties head, and no one ever expects someone to be standing on a hostie.

Specifically speaking, I'm referring to two maps. Italy and Office.

I've seen it happen more in those two maps than anywhere else, even in pubbies.

And another thing... we've always said that a terrorist that is camping behind a hostie is not "helping the team complete the objective." That is false. Although, he may not be doing the right thing by being behind the hostie, he IS defending his objective. The hosties are to be defended if need be.

I'm not entirely sure where this arguement or discussion is going, but I do hope that it gets something accomplished.

-Mom

**CingularDuality** · 02-13-2005, 10:13 PM

I think hiding behind a hostage is an acceptable tactic for terrorists. The entire reason for the rule that we had was when terrorists were able to move hossies and would arrange them in a semi-circle around them. That was cheezy and not allowed.

Standing on a hostages head is likewise cheezy and shouldn't be allowed. Again, I've never seen this done on our server. If I saw it, I'd tell whoever was doing it not to do it.

CTs are trying to rescue hostages. Shooting at a terrorist through a hostage is not acceptable. The CT must attempt to move to an angle where he can shoot the terrorist with little to no damage to the hostage. Accidents happen, of course, but the attempt must be made.

**_Ender_** · 02-14-2005, 12:38 PM

I'm sure the hit boxes are better in CSS though are they? So shooting around a hostages must be a little easier correct?

**CingularDuality** · 02-14-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

I'm sure the hit boxes are better in CSS though are they? So shooting around a hostages must be a little easier correct?

There are no hitboxes anymore. The model that you see is the model for taking damage, so, in that respect, it's been perfected...

**_Ender_** · 02-14-2005, 01:19 PM

So shooting around them are easier right?

No more shooting 30 feet away from their head and killing them.

**CingularDuality** · 02-14-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ender_

So shooting around them are easier right?

No more shooting 30 feet away from their head and killing them.

Depending on what gun you use and how wildly it sprays while firing full auto...

**_Ender_** · 02-14-2005, 01:30 PM

<sigh> the CS I dreamed of and I CANT FING PLAY IT!!

02-12-2005, 07:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
FOX9 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Age: 23 Posts: 112	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields But what happens when a CT uses the hossie as shield? Like Yer Mom said, this happens to me frequently. __________________ We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream. Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams. World losers and world forsakers, for whom the pale moon gleams. Yet we are movers and the shakers of the world forever it seems.

02-13-2005, 11:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
Yer Mom Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TN Age: 22 Posts: 789	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields I think that this has come to more of an arguement than a discussion. The way that I see it and understand it is as follows: If I am the only person left on my team, I am going to use ever possible tactic required for my team to win. Not just for me to get the win, but for the team. I've spent countless rounds being the last person alive and wishing I had a hostie to hide behind. Sometimes that is not applicable. I understand the rules and the standards and I do think that I abide by them fairly well. Although, I have had... requests... for me to change the way I talk in competition. As in, "JOO R ALL DEAD I PWNT JOO ALL IN TEH FACE PLACE!!" That simply means, "I'm going to kill you all by shooting you in the face," if anyone wondered. Heh Normally, as it is played out, I don't come in contact with hosties, and when I do, if I hear them scream, I know that the enemy or me has shot one and I normally move. Unless it's definately not me. But sometimes, my reaction times are faster than my thinking times and I do blast through a hostie. I think that that's human nature and self-defense. As I play further into CSS, I get more into the game. The feeling of me actually being in the game and real comes to mind because I have this big * headphones that makes everything seem so real it's scary sometimes. This "arguement" could go on forever, so I'm going to stop posting here after this... lol I do hope that you all understand my antic tactics and don't have a problem with them. And of course, if you do, speak to me about it and I will be sure to change it. If I could afford it, I'd pay 30 or 40 dollars a month to be a part of this community, and I would do anything to keep my rights here. I love the crowd, the gameplay, and the idiocy at late-night... That's just my 2 cents, and you know how to contact me if you'd like to talk personally... -Mom __________________ Yer Mom /O>** To all but me is the look given but never received. My heart sinks faster and faster every time I look into them, yet I do not understand their controling power on my soul. - W11114m W45h1n670n

02-13-2005, 08:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
FOX9 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Age: 23 Posts: 112	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields Yes CingularDuality, this has happened to me on a TacticalGamer.com owned server. Italy and Office seem to be the most abused. Also, Office gets abused in other ways, but I think I will start a new thread for that issue. __________________ We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream. Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams. World losers and world forsakers, for whom the pale moon gleams. Yet we are movers and the shakers of the world forever it seems.

02-13-2005, 10:13 PM	#25 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,069	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields I think hiding behind a hostage is an acceptable tactic for terrorists. The entire reason for the rule that we had was when terrorists were able to move hossies and would arrange them in a semi-circle around them. That was cheezy and not allowed. Standing on a hostages head is likewise cheezy and shouldn't be allowed. Again, I've never seen this done on our server. If I saw it, I'd tell whoever was doing it not to do it. CTs are trying to rescue hostages. Shooting at a terrorist through a hostage is not acceptable. The CT must attempt to move to an angle where he can shoot the terrorist with little to no damage to the hostage. Accidents happen, of course, but the attempt must be made. __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

02-14-2005, 12:38 PM	#26 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields I'm sure the hit boxes are better in CSS though are they? So shooting around a hostages must be a little easier correct?

02-14-2005, 01:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields So shooting around them are easier right? No more shooting 30 feet away from their head and killing them.

02-14-2005, 01:30 PM	#30 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: Terrorist using hostages as shields <sigh> the CS I dreamed of and I CANT FING PLAY IT!!

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