Re: VIDEO: Last Stand Stage 20 beaten

**Lyramion** · 10-25-2009, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by black_Mirror

isn´t lvl 12 the one with the wraithlords?
Kinda easy. With my Farseer... equip him to a melee fighter and use the ward to kill the lords.
Eldrichstorm for the infantry.. and lots of running around to get your energy regenerated

I seen lots of Ferseers in melee gear - and most failed horribly. It´s fancy for the earlier levels but when ging for the kill it´s all about movement options and hiding like a little girl.

Originally Posted by FL1Pmode

Is level 17 the one with a buttload of Tyranids? That is the one me and a friend struggled to get past on...we simply didn't have enough weapons to kill them en masse which caused us to become overwhelmed.

Ya the ****ton of nids. You need to hold out in the middle somewhere till the last wave of Carnifexes spawned. Then you jump/port into one of the spawns and fight from there preferably abusing one fex as tank with confuse

**black_Mirror** · 10-25-2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Lyramion

I seen lots of Ferseers in melee gear - and most failed horribly. It´s fancy for the earlier levels but when ging for the kill it´s all about movement options and hiding like a little girl.

True

I have tried that set-up cause i had the " all energy-low armor " gear for a while and failed with it. But that might came from that fact that i was still low lvl and didn´t had the mass-teleport. Also didn´t equiped the conceal so " yay stuipd me! " I was so fancy about the pistol with the bolt-ability

Gonna change my gear today back to energy and shall have a look how it´s working.

**Lyramion** · 10-25-2009, 10:55 AM

If you arrive on 19 - beware the scouts! They negate your conceal when near and make you a bloodstain on the floor. Look from which direction the Terminator NPC boss comes - fight into that direction as the other 3 spawn s will have scouts emerging

**black_Mirror** · 10-25-2009, 02:50 PM

Thanks for that tip.
How do i fight the wraithlords with a paper-thin armor?
With the infight wargear i can solo these things pretty easy. Just ward on and beat him to death. Are you just doing it with confusion? And when do i get the mass-confusion? i lurk around lvl 12 right now. ( what is the ebtter choice.. the ghosthelm for more regeneration or the +50 energy armor? )

**Lyramion** · 10-25-2009, 03:33 PM

mass confusion is 15 I think but I rarely use it due to the 50 energy cost. Lords can be kited easily. And of course confuse. The trouble on this level consists more about not getting swamped with banshees. After the small stuff is widled down everyone can simple kite the lords. The marine melee dreads in 19 are a biggger pain - some have an autogun with barrage and some are melee equipt - the melee dreads have a charge in animation and can easily follow a 25% movement eldar while keeping up

The +50 energy armor is crap - either go the whole way with 0.5 energy regen paper armor or stay with your normal armor

**Axis_Sniper** · 10-25-2009, 05:38 PM

Why do you think is a good build for the Mekboy? Because I use the default Teleporter Pack, the Rokit Launcher, and Boom Time, with Cyber implants and Hard Bits.

I use the Trophy Rack as my commander item

**Lyramion** · 10-25-2009, 06:07 PM

My Mekboy is level one but the most sucessful Mekboys I have seen were very basic - teleporter and big shoota

**black_Mirror** · 10-25-2009, 07:30 PM

The only thing that kills me constantly are these damn banshees ( or lords if i don´t wear in fight gear ) cause i play random most of the time and get lots of melee marines with dreadnought... but i think marines with healing aura and plasma-cannon ( the one that can be fired while running ) are more useful for kiting and stuff.
I get no problems until the mirror with my melee-farseer. But i have to use the ward quite often in order to net get insta-stomped.

**Lyramion** · 10-25-2009, 09:14 PM

Maybe not needed but I´ll mention it anyway - be sure to put your fingers on the keyboard shortcuts of your abilities. It saves vital splitseconds.

You can also use abilities on the character protraits on the right - so if someone is surounded you dont have to seek out his tiny character but can just target him there

**Spyder** · 10-25-2009, 10:08 PM

A good space marine will routinely carry your team to level 18-19.

A good Eldar is critial to beating 16, 19 and 20.

A good mekboy will save your sorry butts more times than you can count.

Mekboy's the easiest to play, just get used to teleporting all the time. All The Time. Before you think you need to move. You can pretty much keep yourself alive indefinitely while slowly picking away at enemies until you can sneak a revive. I usually run rokkits or Big Shoota, teleport, cyborg bits, whatever makes you immune to knockback are key. The rest is mostly personal preference. Just don't let yourself get killed trying to pull off the perfect Roks.

You can pretty much be an effective mek from the get go. I've personally taken a level 4 mek to lvl 20 as SM and played a level 4 mek to 20, so there you go.

SM specced for high single damage + dread makes the rounds leading up to 16 cake. Dread soaks a ton of damage from the rest of you while the SM runs around taking out high value targets.

But the key you ask? An eldar player specced to be a team player. Confuse, Conceal, GT make a *huge* difference in the later rounds. Problem is you're not going to get many kills this way, so very few eldar play it.

**Spyder** · 10-25-2009, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lyramion

Ya the ****ton of nids. You need to hold out in the middle somewhere till the last wave of Carnifexes spawned. Then you jump/port into one of the spawns and fight from there preferably abusing one fex as tank with confuse

Get a SM with the axe and litanies of zeal/dread. You can start holing up in a corner because the SM can solo a single carn fairly easily, then take out most of the tunnelers (which are the bigger problem about this wave) before the rest of the carn's get there. Once they do, confuse and/or run to the other end and wipe out the rest of the little guys, then kite the carns around.

**FLIPmode** · 10-25-2009, 10:52 PM

Carnis by themselves aren't that tough, its also the amount of other Tyranid things there that made stage 17 the one I can't beat yet. But yeah mekboy doesn't need much to do well, unlike the farseer or the space marine, at least from my experience so far.

**Axis_Sniper** · 10-25-2009, 11:21 PM

What's also good for the team-oriented Farseer, is a Mekboy with Battery pack. Constantly recharging the Farseer's abilities, so you can basically spam Eldiritch Storm, GT and Conceal.

**black_Mirror** · 10-26-2009, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Lyramion

Maybe not needed but I´ll mention it anyway - be sure to put your fingers on the keyboard shortcuts of your abilities. It saves vital splitseconds.

You can also use abilities on the character protraits on the right - so if someone is surounded you dont have to seek out his tiny character but can just target him there

Yeah i do that since my days of Warcraft 3.

I try getting used to the set-up right now. It´s kinda hard having no armor and almost no dmg-output. Takes quite some practise and lots of running

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