slow gameplay?

**Wyzcrak** · 09-15-2005, 02:51 AM

Is it possible to play this game slowly?

GR, CS, BF2, JO... while offering plenty of action at times, they all offer something to TG players who likes to sit back, wait for the enemy to come, and generally take things slowly.

Does this game demand speed in its play style, or is it possible to slow it down without having your pace set completely by the oncoming opposition?

**kormendi** · 09-15-2005, 03:07 AM

I imagine there could be times where action is slow while the attacking team readies its attack, but because of the spawn system a team must quickly capitalize on opportunities as they become available.

I think the situation should dictate the pace of the game. Certainly players should take the time to let their team respawn and plan another attack, but there are times where sending wave after wave of attack will be necessary to keep the opponent from regaining/solidifying a position.

Another point: slow play will give hackers too much time to do their work in cyberspace. Frequent assassination attempts must be launched to prevent a hacker from activating map elements. (ie doors, spawn points, turrets)

AzzMan · 09-15-2005, 05:05 AM

I have never been in a situation where the action slows down, EXCEPT for guarding the dock spawn as a corp. As a punk there is NEVER a moments rest.

**Pokerface** · 09-15-2005, 08:38 AM

Thus far, no.

With three objectives and 20 minute rounds, Punks can't afford to spend the first three minutes in spawn discussiong how they're going to split up and cover the south door or whatever. Not that they CAN'T or SHOULDN'T have a plan like that; it's just not something that can be adequately discussed while the game clock is rolling.

In the dev interview, they stated that one of their goals from the outset was to create a game that rewarded aggressive gameplay, and I think they've succeeded with that quite well.

Wintermute · 09-15-2005, 09:07 AM

Short answer: no

drew_952 · 09-15-2005, 09:32 AM

This game rewards aggression.

AzzMan · 09-15-2005, 10:55 AM

Pokerface for the win, again.

09-15-2005, 11:22 AM

The game should reward aggression, simply because of the slew of games that do not.

I like the fast paced action, I'm sure there is a way to slow down combat for an individual, based on what kind of implants and weapons you have, but as far as the whole team, ESPECIALLY the punks, slowing down to strategize will only hurt the team.

You are going to have develop strategies on the fly, and that just doesn't mean where to attack and when to attack, its also important that your players have different implants so you can maximize the effiency of your team.

AzzMan · 09-15-2005, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireWater

The game should reward aggression, simply because of the slew of games that do not.

An interesting point. Good on pointing that out.

Spyder · 09-15-2005, 03:22 PM

If anything, maybe you should consider elongating the spawn time in the begining of the map (currently 30 seconds to allow for weapon selections) to allow for early game strategy. Everything beyond that is going to be chaotic, on the fly, battlefield strategy, which the few exceptions being that when the majority of your team dies and you have 30 second spawn que, you can whip up something quick. Because this is a constant respawn objective based game, where your objectives are relatively close to your spawn (unlike NS) the action and decision making are going to be somewhat less fast-paced.

Another thing to maybe look at doing is an amx_vote plugin or something early in the game to select from the list of current players somebody responsible for deciding strategy, since there is nothing in-game (like the bomb carrier) to pick for you. Just some thoughts.

**kormendi** · 09-15-2005, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyder

Another thing to maybe look at doing is an amx_vote plugin or something early in the game to select from the list of current players somebody responsible for deciding strategy, since there is nothing in-game (like the bomb carrier) to pick for you. Just some thoughts.

It occured to me that perhaps whichever hacker is currently in cyberspace should be shouting out orders. The hacker has control of the strategic elements, and should direct the team to take advantage of them as he makes them available.

**Pokerface** · 09-15-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kormendi

It occured to me that perhaps whichever hacker is currently in cyberspace should be shouting out orders. The hacker has control of the strategic elements, and should direct the team to take advantage of them as he makes them available.

Maybe, but the hacker also isn't getting shot at (generally). I can hack the north door, but if there are six Corps there, directing the team there ain't so hot.

Spyder · 09-15-2005, 04:19 PM

The other side of that is that the hacker has no idea what the entire enemy team is doing once he's in cyberspace. In this I feel that the hacker is important, but he needs to field the information about what he's got done to somebody else who is in a better position to know what to do with/about it.

AzzMan · 09-15-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokerface

Maybe, but the hacker also isn't getting shot at (generally). I can hack the north door, but if there are six Corps there, directing the team there ain't so hot.

That is the major flaw in that plan indeed.

If the Decker can't see into the rooms to see what's going on, where people are etc, he shouldn't be directing people into a trap.

Perhaps a vote by the team at the beginning of every game?

**Pokerface** · 09-15-2005, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzzMan

That is the major flaw in that plan indeed.

If the Decker can't see into the rooms to see what's going on, where people are etc, he shouldn't be directing people into a trap.

Perhaps a vote by the team at the beginning of every game?

Meh. Cyberspace ain't that big. A general on the ground should be making choices, and the hacker responds; the run from one node to the other isn't a long one.

09-15-2005, 02:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
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09-15-2005, 03:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
kormendi Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 2,172	Re: slow gameplay? I imagine there could be times where action is slow while the attacking team readies its attack, but because of the spawn system a team must quickly capitalize on opportunities as they become available. I think the situation should dictate the pace of the game. Certainly players should take the time to let their team respawn and plan another attack, but there are times where sending wave after wave of attack will be necessary to keep the opponent from regaining/solidifying a position. Another point: slow play will give hackers too much time to do their work in cyberspace. Frequent assassination attempts must be launched to prevent a hacker from activating map elements. (ie doors, spawn points, turrets) __________________ Team Fortress 2 Admin \| NS Admin PM me if you have any questions/concerns regarding the server.

09-15-2005, 05:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
AzzMan Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Age: 17 Posts: 1,774	Re: slow gameplay? I have never been in a situation where the action slows down, EXCEPT for guarding the dock spawn as a corp. As a punk there is NEVER a moments rest.

09-15-2005, 08:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 30 Posts: 5,771	Re: slow gameplay? Thus far, no. With three objectives and 20 minute rounds, Punks can't afford to spend the first three minutes in spawn discussiong how they're going to split up and cover the south door or whatever. Not that they CAN'T or SHOULDN'T have a plan like that; it's just not something that can be adequately discussed while the game clock is rolling. In the dev interview, they stated that one of their goals from the outset was to create a game that rewarded aggressive gameplay, and I think they've succeeded with that quite well. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

09-15-2005, 09:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
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09-15-2005, 09:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
drew_952 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago Age: 30 Posts: 157	Re: slow gameplay? This game rewards aggression.

09-15-2005, 10:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
AzzMan Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Age: 17 Posts: 1,774	Re: slow gameplay? Pokerface for the win, again.

09-15-2005, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
FireWater Guest Posts: n/a	Re: slow gameplay? The game should reward aggression, simply because of the slew of games that do not. I like the fast paced action, I'm sure there is a way to slow down combat for an individual, based on what kind of implants and weapons you have, but as far as the whole team, ESPECIALLY the punks, slowing down to strategize will only hurt the team. You are going to have develop strategies on the fly, and that just doesn't mean where to attack and when to attack, its also important that your players have different implants so you can maximize the effiency of your team.

09-15-2005, 03:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Spyder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN (Middle of Nowhere, MN) Age: 25 Posts: 1,049	Re: slow gameplay? If anything, maybe you should consider elongating the spawn time in the begining of the map (currently 30 seconds to allow for weapon selections) to allow for early game strategy. Everything beyond that is going to be chaotic, on the fly, battlefield strategy, which the few exceptions being that when the majority of your team dies and you have 30 second spawn que, you can whip up something quick. Because this is a constant respawn objective based game, where your objectives are relatively close to your spawn (unlike NS) the action and decision making are going to be somewhat less fast-paced. Another thing to maybe look at doing is an amx_vote plugin or something early in the game to select from the list of current players somebody responsible for deciding strategy, since there is nothing in-game (like the bomb carrier) to pick for you. Just some thoughts. __________________ a.k.a. NinjaPirateAssassin Celibacy is not Hereditary. Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another drink. Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth. Flying is easy, Just throw yourself at the ground and miss!

09-15-2005, 04:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Spyder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN (Middle of Nowhere, MN) Age: 25 Posts: 1,049	Re: slow gameplay? The other side of that is that the hacker has no idea what the entire enemy team is doing once he's in cyberspace. In this I feel that the hacker is important, but he needs to field the information about what he's got done to somebody else who is in a better position to know what to do with/about it. __________________ a.k.a. NinjaPirateAssassin Celibacy is not Hereditary. Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another drink. Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth. Flying is easy, Just throw yourself at the ground and miss!

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