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Apophis

We had some really good teams going last night that you should have been a part of. We had quite the stalemate going for a while on the shield generator objective.

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BHack

Give it time. People are still learning.

One subtle difference that greatly changes the game fundamentally from the battlefield series is what Beatnik hinted at, the lack of a ticket system. A perceived problem I had with ranked 2142 was the de-emphasis on flag capturing. Without modified bleed settings it felt to me that large games were much more about which team had the more efficient killers than any sort of larger overall map strategy. Killing someone in BF meant you were directly helping your team win, not so in QW. You have to shift your game mentality and realize it might be better to just sneak by enemies instead of attempting to fight them. QW emphasizes timing and exploiting advantages. Your main enemy is really the clock.

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Zoopy_T

Yeah, but that also makes deaths meaningless in the game. Sort of like 2142 Titan mode, it's easier to die then it is to wait and get healed or resupplied. So you end up having everyone throw themselves into a meat grinder until the objective is done.

Sirusblk

Yah that's what I found too. Not saying everyone else was doing it, it was probably me since I had no idea what I was doing. The cryptic objectives are the killer. I had a hard time cycling thru the objective with m and then when I found an objective with a seemingly arbitrary XP count. I go after the objective.

It says secure this, well how do I secure it? I go over there, I'm practically humping the objective like those infamous Russian jokes. Turns out you're supposed to hack it? Why not say hack the objective? I'm sorry but the wonky physics and frame rate only add to the confusion.

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BHack

Coulda sworn it does say "Hack the shield generator".

Though, if your strogg, it probably just says "Secure the objective" since all you are doing is defending it from hackers.

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Beatnik

That tactic results in having large amounts of your team idling in the respawn screen though. There are some instances when it is better to just die, e.g. after GDF takes an objective and you have to spawn in and defend the next one back or hoof it 500m back to it, but in my little experience that's the exception to the rule.

This could also be addressed by increasing respawn times by 10 sec to 30 sec.

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Sirusblk

Hmm that mighta been it but the objectives don't tell me which class to be. I don't know what's in each arsenal, this is especially true for the Strogg. In game hints would be useful, but those are like throwing a bunch of sentences at you which you're expected to read by stopping everything and stand there reading the little text zoom by.

The in game hints need to be more obtrusive, by standing in their little text window they make it harder for you to read them IMO.

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kormendi

Sounds like someone needs to read one of the dozen in depth guides that are available for the game. This really isn't the kind of game you can blindly jump into.

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BaneII

The objectives are different for each class. For example, a medic isn't going to get repairs missions, only an engineer would. Other than that, it's up to you to learn the game. Everything can't be learned in a day. Even after two years of playing Battlefield, I've only mastered three kits. Best thing is not to be a jack of all trades. Pick a kit, stick with it, and learn the ins and outs. I've only played medic and engineer (mostly) so far, and that's fine by me because it fits my playstyle.

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BaneII

I concur. However, those should be server settings that can easily be tweaked to make the players a little less reckless (hopefully). It's no different than Battlefield settings like friendly fire or respawn time. Some players gravitate to the more reckless settings like no friendly fire because that's the playstyle they prefer. TG's server doesn't have to be that way.

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Snail88

also, medics reviving on route to the ojective can help it be completed faster. Sure if you keep throwing yourself towards the objective youll eventually get it, but with a time limit, smart play is prefered to get the job done in a faster, more effecient way

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Mugzy

The text chat is useless. It does not stay on the screen long enough..

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aeroripper

Greater respawn times would be a plus, and give the medics a more important role. The text 'stay' time could be adjusted, it would also be great to make it significantly smaller and easier to read. It is currently quite huge.

Tarenth

Medics are crippled a bit by the ease at which bodies are gibbed. A stogg tech can just jab every corpse with the stroyant needle once to 'kill' them and the infiltrators/covert ops can just tap the uniform hack to do the same. If you don't want to be cheap then a few jabs with the knife or some rounds with a lacerator/blaster/pistol/assault rifle will do the same.

If you look at the spawn screen you will see a star next to the class that is mission critical at the moment. Also...the voice cues help out a bit with lines like "Engineers, build the bridge", "Engineers, repair the MCV", "Covert Ops, Hack the Shield Generator", "Soldiers, Destroy the Contaminator". On a related note any character can add additional objectives by 'spotting' enemy deployables and calling for ammo/health/repairs which contribue to the XP of their teammates with these secondary/tetriary objectives. Those are the objectives you can scroll through with the m key.

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