how do you deal with an abusive student. - Page 3

**Avs** · 01-18-2008, 11:54 PM

Get rich. Crush him financially. Then break him spiritually by stealing his wife.

**machowner** · 01-18-2008, 11:57 PM

sounds good!

oh man, I didn't even realize you are dealing with a small town! Goodluck man. Try to get into a college far from there!

BeSiege82 · 01-19-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by machowner

sounds good!

oh man, I didn't even realize you are dealing with a small town! Good luck man. Try to get into a college far from there!

made sure of that, I am moving towards Reading, Pennsylvania, where my college is- 2 hours away from this place.

Our former comrade, MoxMax's wife and her family are from this small county I live in.

ShooDaddy · 01-19-2008, 05:35 PM

Coming in the spring of 2008~

Who Framed the Pastors Kid?

Zephyr · 01-21-2008, 03:44 PM

Record as many of his actions as you can on a cell phone camera or something equivalent, then anonymously post the collection on YouTube and scatter fliers and email links throughout the school and your town when you graduate. Better yet, give it to your local media outlet and see if they can't spin it for...massive damage.

-Zephyr

**birdie_in_Texas** · 01-21-2008, 05:07 PM

I will ask if there is not a way to really get at him by writing a work of "fiction" that the little local paper might publish..if you could remain anonymous by using a pen name, then you could probably keep out of the limelight, as you will make him and his family look very bad...

I moved from a very large place to a very small place as a freshman in high school, dealt with something so remarkably similar that it is making my stomach queasy, as I was not nearly so smart as you, and took teaching this person life lessons into my own hands, and it cost me in many ways. I was completely ostracized by the small community, and had some real issues with local law enforcement (the bad kids dad). Luckily, things calmed down and I was able to get at him more and more with little mean tricks, like a big can of sardines on top of his motor (pee yew!), drug his car in between 2 trees where it sat for a week before they finaly just cut one tree down! (man..that took hours), i kept putting small pebbles into the caps on his valve stems so that the air leaked out slowly..the ppor fool never figured it out, and all he had to do was look in the inside of the little caps...!

there are lots of things/ways you can "get back" at this kid, or you can take what is probably the "smart" route and stay as neutral as you can without killing your own sense of what is right.

strangely enough, this kid actually shot me (by accident) a few years later in college, where we lived in the same dorm (long story), and we made his life a "hell" with small tricks and pranks. I am sure that even he was not so dumb as to have never figured out that I played a role in all of the things that happened to him over the years, but maybe he was just smart enough to not say anything as there was no telling what I might have done if pushed.

Many years later, I was asked by his parents to be a Pall Bearer at his funeral. I asked his father why in the world they thought of me in this instance, and I was told that in his "journal" that the guy had listed me as one of his closest friends, and that he wanted me as a Pall Bearer and to speak at the funeral (he had a terminal illness for a while). So i made the 5 hour drive, bought a suit for my fat self and handled it as best I could.

I think about Karma all too often these days, all the time wondering if I should have just "left things alone", but that is just not my nature.

Do what you think is best in your situation, try not to do more harm than good, and hopefully all will work out in the end. You never know, you might end up as one of his closest friends.

**TurkishDelight** · 01-21-2008, 09:38 PM

Ignore this idiot, and move on with your life. People like the exist in our society. All one must to is have respect for one's self, and move on. Most HS students cannot say anything but "your a fag", they will relize soon enough, that once you leave the protection of home, and become an adult, such behavior is not tolerated. Try telling that to some random dude on the street and tell me what he does, if you can still type afterword

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Klenland · 01-21-2008, 10:10 PM

These guys have got it it right about ignoring him. What's more, this kid's in a bad place. He's grabbing desperately for attention by flaunting his advantages. He's got two choices, he stays at home and gets pampered by his folks for the rest of his life, or (which is most likely) he'll move out and the world in general will beat the crap out of him for you. He'll shape up pretty fast, right now he's just a kid, and you treat him like one. The more you acknowledge him, the better he feels. You just ignore the poor bastard and get on with better things.

**Iceberg** · 01-22-2008, 01:00 AM

Don't take crap from guys like this. Their type tend to follow you through life, and if you have to break a few kneecaps and move across the state... then you break a few kneecaps. Hindsight is 20/20, but the longer you let these types walk all over you the worse off you'll be.

**CingularDuality** · 01-22-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by squeak

Don't take crap from guys like this. Their type tend to follow you through life, and if you have to break a few kneecaps and move across the state... then you break a few kneecaps. Hindsight is 20/20, but the longer you let these types walk all over you the worse off you'll be.

I've been thinking about this situation every time I read a new post in this thread, and I keep wondering if just ignoring the guy is the right advice. Ignoring him is surely the easiest thing to do. But is it the right thing to do? I honestly believe that our society is becoming more and more wussified because people are scared or too lazy to stand up and do what is right. You shouldn't have to ignore a bully. You shouldn't have to put up with a bully that gets preferential treatment because he's the preacher's kid.

I still say stand up for yourself. Don't go looking for trouble, but don't back down. I think you may be surprised at the number of people that support you if you do.

**TurkishDelight** · 01-22-2008, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Don't go looking for trouble, but don't back down. I think you may be surprised at the number of people that support you if you do.

I agree, when I say "ignore this fool", I don't mean let him walk all over you. Pimp smack a Ho or two if you have to, remember, "don't tread on me".

**Ferris Bueller** · 01-22-2008, 08:20 AM

I have to agree. I let me mom have a gander at this thread and she's a clinical psychologist (shes also a retired navy Commander married to a retired navy Commander, which explains suggestion number one). What she had to say is this:

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Originally Posted by Ferris's Mom

The old addage about the kid just doing this to get attention is right, but the addition that if you dont react to him that he'll just stop or go away is completely wrong. He's an adolescent and more likely to ramp up his negative action if he get ignored for what hes doing now.

After reading all of the suggestions and your friends dilemma with the administration, there are really only a few options.

First, and most likely to get them in trouble, they could simply drag the kid off campus and beat his ass. He'll probably learn his lesson fairly quickly, but they'll probably get in serious trouble too.

Second, he could go higher up the food chain, to a local action group or the local media and make an anonymous complaint or letter to the effect that the child is a serious problem and disruption, but since he is the son of the school's pastor, he has a permanent get out of jail free card. This would likely stir the local community into a fever and action would be taken.

Third, he could rally the other students to simply stonewall the child. Strength in numbers is a powerful thing. The child may take on one or two kids his own age, but its unlikely that he'll stand up to five or more.

Last, your friend could just suck it up and completely ignore the problem until he leaves the area and let it rest at that.

If it were me, I'd go with option two. I like playing the subtle thorn in the side. If thats out of the question, option three is probably your best bet. Start talking to other kids at the school. Rally the school against this kid and put your strength in your numbers. If he's crazy enough to try and take on the whole school, then hes a ripe candidate for natural selection.

Zephyr · 01-22-2008, 03:03 PM

Just make sure you avoid being a "ringleader". Make everyone else feel like it was their own idea to get pissed at this person, not the result of your suggestion. Emphasize the negative feelings that are already there without standing up in the middle and orchestrating them.

And again, video is a very powerful medium that could, in the hands of an adventurous reporter who wants to make a splash in the local community, really make the difference you want to see.

-Zephyr

Daxx · 01-22-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I've been thinking about this situation every time I read a new post in this thread, and I keep wondering if just ignoring the guy is the right advice. Ignoring him is surely the easiest thing to do. But is it the right thing to do? I honestly believe that our society is becoming more and more wussified because people are scared or too lazy to stand up and do what is right. You shouldn't have to ignore a bully. You shouldn't have to put up with a bully that gets preferential treatment because he's the preacher's kid.

I still say stand up for yourself. Don't go looking for trouble, but don't back down. I think you may be surprised at the number of people that support you if you do.

Unfortunatly, with the "Wussified State" standing up for yourself and doing the right thing can land you on the wrong side of a lawsuit and even criminal charges.

Morally you may be right, but morality and the courts don't seem to be in bed anymore.

BeSiege82 · 01-22-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Daxx

Unfortunately, with the "Wussified State" standing up for yourself and doing the right thing can land you on the wrong side of a lawsuit and even criminal charges.

Morally you may be right, but morality and the courts don't seem to be in bed anymore.

It seems that morality has been left cold on the street, but ignorance and the courts are now in bed.

My plan is to warn him to stop and if he does not, take the gathered evidence, and go to school. If that does not work and it becomes a physical problem, then the authorities outside of school itself can be contacted.

01-18-2008, 11:54 PM	#31 (permalink)
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01-19-2008, 05:35 PM	#34 (permalink)
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01-21-2008, 03:44 PM	#35 (permalink)
Zephyr Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 20 Posts: 1,649	Re: how do you deal with an abusive student. Record as many of his actions as you can on a cell phone camera or something equivalent, then anonymously post the collection on YouTube and scatter fliers and email links throughout the school and your town when you graduate. Better yet, give it to your local media outlet and see if they can't spin it for...massive damage. -Zephyr __________________ You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it. You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer. Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline. Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise. We are no clan. We are not a single game. We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals. We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

01-21-2008, 05:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
birdie_in_Texas Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: TEXAS..! Age: 39 Posts: 2,561	Re: how do you deal with an abusive student. I will ask if there is not a way to really get at him by writing a work of "fiction" that the little local paper might publish..if you could remain anonymous by using a pen name, then you could probably keep out of the limelight, as you will make him and his family look very bad... I moved from a very large place to a very small place as a freshman in high school, dealt with something so remarkably similar that it is making my stomach queasy, as I was not nearly so smart as you, and took teaching this person life lessons into my own hands, and it cost me in many ways. I was completely ostracized by the small community, and had some real issues with local law enforcement (the bad kids dad). Luckily, things calmed down and I was able to get at him more and more with little mean tricks, like a big can of sardines on top of his motor (pee yew!), drug his car in between 2 trees where it sat for a week before they finaly just cut one tree down! (man..that took hours), i kept putting small pebbles into the caps on his valve stems so that the air leaked out slowly..the ppor fool never figured it out, and all he had to do was look in the inside of the little caps...! there are lots of things/ways you can "get back" at this kid, or you can take what is probably the "smart" route and stay as neutral as you can without killing your own sense of what is right. strangely enough, this kid actually shot me (by accident) a few years later in college, where we lived in the same dorm (long story), and we made his life a "hell" with small tricks and pranks. I am sure that even he was not so dumb as to have never figured out that I played a role in all of the things that happened to him over the years, but maybe he was just smart enough to not say anything as there was no telling what I might have done if pushed. Many years later, I was asked by his parents to be a Pall Bearer at his funeral. I asked his father why in the world they thought of me in this instance, and I was told that in his "journal" that the guy had listed me as one of his closest friends, and that he wanted me as a Pall Bearer and to speak at the funeral (he had a terminal illness for a while). So i made the 5 hour drive, bought a suit for my fat self and handled it as best I could. I think about Karma all too often these days, all the time wondering if I should have just "left things alone", but that is just not my nature. Do what you think is best in your situation, try not to do more harm than good, and hopefully all will work out in the end. You never know, you might end up as one of his closest friends. __________________ Call of Duty - Official Rules, Announcements & SOPs Contact a CoD Admin Here

01-21-2008, 09:38 PM	#37 (permalink)
TurkishDelight Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 835	Re: how do you deal with an abusive student. Ignore this idiot, and move on with your life. People like the exist in our society. All one must to is have respect for one's self, and move on. Most HS students cannot say anything but "your a fag", they will relize soon enough, that once you leave the protection of home, and become an adult, such behavior is not tolerated. Try telling that to some random dude on the street and tell me what he does, if you can still type afterword *Import secret to life* "Never, ever learn "The hard way" under any circumstance, and learn from the mistakes of others, not your own" __________________ \|TG-X\|Turkish

01-21-2008, 10:10 PM	#38 (permalink)
Klenland Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64	Re: how do you deal with an abusive student. These guys have got it it right about ignoring him. What's more, this kid's in a bad place. He's grabbing desperately for attention by flaunting his advantages. He's got two choices, he stays at home and gets pampered by his folks for the rest of his life, or (which is most likely) he'll move out and the world in general will beat the crap out of him for you. He'll shape up pretty fast, right now he's just a kid, and you treat him like one. The more you acknowledge him, the better he feels. You just ignore the poor bastard and get on with better things. __________________

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Iceberg Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Illinois Age: 24 Posts: 1,924	Re: how do you deal with an abusive student. Don't take crap from guys like this. Their type tend to follow you through life, and if you have to break a few kneecaps and move across the state... then you break a few kneecaps. Hindsight is 20/20, but the longer you let these types walk all over you the worse off you'll be. __________________ It only takes 2 bites [insert parasite] to get to the center of a meatpop. TGNS Admin \| NS Forum Moderator Digz \| NS Play Tester Natural Selection \| TGNS Primer \| Communication Awareness! Army Info: AIT - 37F @ Fort Bragg, NC Graduate AIT Oct 23rd.

01-22-2008, 03:03 PM	#43 (permalink)
Zephyr Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 20 Posts: 1,649	Re: how do you deal with an abusive student. Just make sure you avoid being a "ringleader". Make everyone else feel like it was their own idea to get pissed at this person, not the result of your suggestion. Emphasize the negative feelings that are already there without standing up in the middle and orchestrating them. And again, video is a very powerful medium that could, in the hands of an adventurous reporter who wants to make a splash in the local community, really make the difference you want to see. -Zephyr __________________ You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it. You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer. Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline. Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise. We are no clan. We are not a single game. We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals. We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

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