Re: Damn...sometimes I hate the Air Force!

**206 Wolfpack** · 03-13-2008, 01:16 AM

We got more people in the air force than I realized... How many people ROTC'd compared to just enlist...? and once you get done with college what do typical ROTC'ees go do?

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Top is reason I'd rather go for Air Force as well (its actually navy, but you get the point.. couldnt find the actual picture), below is just a picture I found kinda insane.
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**Ferris Bueller** · 03-13-2008, 06:30 AM

Theres a big difference between graduating from ROTC and enlisting. When you enlist, you're enlisted. When you graduate from ROTC, you're an officer.
At time of enlistment/commissioning (meaning you're brand spankin' new):
E-1 base pay: $1175/mo.
O-1 base pay: $2415/mo.
After 20 years (based on advancement in rank of people I know) it looks like this:
E-9: $4700/mo
O-6: $8000/mo
*pay based on the 2006 pay scale chart available here

As far as what you go do after college as an ROTC grad, I can only speak from the Navy perspective: fly aircraft, drive ships, drive submarines, lead SEALs, etc. Less in-the-trenches work, IMO.

**206 Wolfpack** · 03-13-2008, 08:32 PM

Yea, I'm trying to become a pilot so theirs a back up job once I get out of the military afterwards whenever I feel like getting out for good, but what are chances that'd I'd be able to actually get to become one? (Like can you apply for the posistion, will military let you??) and I think I meet all requirements..

**Uranium - 235** · 03-13-2008, 09:34 PM

The AF is severely cutting back the number of pilots they're putting into flight school, FYI.

**Meat_Drapes** · 03-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Can you really do that in the Air Force and get away with it?
You should have joined the Marine Corps. Had I seen or if I ever see a finger like that I will break it off and make you eat it.

My story is as follows. My wife had a stroke in April of '06. I explained this to the monitor ( guy who decides where you go and when). He kept asking me to go to Okinawa..I kept telling him no I cant go my wife needs me.
So one day he calls up my boss and asks him if the stroke story is true. My boss confirms it. Three days later he cuts me orders for a UNACCOMPANIED tour for 1 year to Okinawa. It gets better. He does not tell me. I find out one month prior to my departure date that I am outbound.
The Marine Corps monitors travel to various bases and get face time with thier particular group that they deal with. When my monitor made a trip to my base, I made a trip to see him personally.
My current orders are now to Augusta Ga..non deployable unit. Very nice area.

**Jakaleel** · 03-14-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Meat_Drapes
When my monitor made a trip to my base, I made a trip to see him personally.

Sounds like a little WALL-to-WALL counseling took place using FM 22-102.

**Ferris Bueller** · 03-14-2008, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Jakaleel

Sounds like a little WALL-to-WALL counseling took place using FM 22-102.

Yup, Thunderdome style. Two men enter, one man leaves.

**Dirtboy** · 03-14-2008, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Meat_Drapes

Can you really do that in the Air Force and get away with it?
You should have joined the Marine Corps. Had I seen or if I ever see a finger like that I will break it off and make you eat it.

Yes you can...well for the most part.

Most likely I would have received a Letter of Reprimand. If he would have touched me, I would have stomped his face into the ground. That is the thing with the Air Force, most the Senior NCO's are fat crusty old farts that will get there asses kicked by Airmen and Junior NCO's alike.

**section-8** · 03-14-2008, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dirtboy

Yes you can...well for the most part.

Most likely I would have received a Letter of Reprimand. If he would have touched me, I would have stomped his face into the ground. That is the thing with the Air Force, most the Senior NCO's are fat crusty old farts that will get there asses kicked by Airmen and Junior NCO's alike.

Coulda been worse. Coulda been an article 15. That being said...I've never done it (except in jest).

**Chevy Nick** · 03-14-2008, 07:32 AM

As an Army ROTC graduate, I will say this:

The Air Force by far, has the most attractive women of all the services.

**Ferris Bueller** · 03-14-2008, 01:53 PM

Maybe at your school, but at CU, it's alllll Navy.

**War.mongeR1** · 03-14-2008, 04:58 PM

It's all about Shepherd AFB in Wichita Falls, TX. Fantastic guy to girl ratio due to the fact the Med Tech school is there. These girls are fresh out of basic training and haven't had any male contact for months, so they're ready to pounce. Man, I miss those times. Spent 3 months there back in '01. Every base after that definitely had a shortage of females. ESPECIALLY Diego Garcia (British naval island south of India).

**section-8** · 03-14-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

Maybe at your school, but at CU, it's alllll Navy.

wait until they get INTO the navy. Then they get issued a rather large butt region. (the NIA)

**206 Wolfpack** · 03-14-2008, 11:57 PM

The military also has a moderate-high percentage of STDs from what I've read..

**aculle01** · 03-18-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Fenian420

We got more people in the air force than I realized... How many people ROTC'd compared to just enlist...? and once you get done with college what do typical ROTC'ees go do?

All depends on the service and your selection.

Your selection is dependent on your aptitude score. Your aptitude is made up of 3 criteria: GPA, Military Aptitude and PT scores. Certain majors, mainly engineering, add bonus points to your score. You are then ranked, first to your class and then to the rest of the ROTCers in your year group. Depending on what you have placed on your community selection you are again compared to those. From there it goes to selection committees and in their dark rooms they decide who they want to offer billets. Its quite a bit simplier for the Navy as only unrestricted line billets are available. These are: Surface Officer, Nuclear (Sub or Surface), Student Aviator, Student Flight Officer (Navigator), SEALs, and EOD. Nurses, while in ROTC, have there own seperate deal but are ranked similiarly just amongst themselves when it comes to first duty stations.

As far as going Naval Aviation. You have an additional test, the ASTB as well as an extensive flight physical. Like the SATs you can pick up practice books to prepare. The Air Force and Navy/Marine Corps use the same test. The test does seem to change quite a bit as the Services are still trying to find the most accurate way to determine potential aviators/flight officers.

Previous tests have been made up of three scores that are graded on a 1-8 scale with 8 8 8 being the best score. Recently scores in the 5-6 range seem to be the minimum providing you have a solid overall aptitude score. However, considering its the military, this is subject to change from year to year depending on how full the pipeline is and how many pilots/nfos have left the service. From my school, with about 20-30 Mids in a senior class, about 6-10 people are selected each year with maybe one or two not picking up either SNA or SNFO. This could easily change from school to school but recently if you put in for it and were competitive you pretty much got into the program. Getting your wings usual takes about 2 years. Once you have your wings you owe the Navy 8 years and you are still not done training as you now have to learn to fly your fleet aircraft.

There really is no need to worry about which girls are best in the service because there are a lot more eligible civilian girls than military ones. Come on you are in college, there are more members of the opposite sex then you will know what to do with.

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