westyfield

I think you mean Elwenil right? But thanks anyway, lol.
I have a few airsoft guns which would probably be classed as 'backyard weapons'. They cost £60 and under, I have a spring pistol (P99), 3 automatics (Sig Sauer 552, HK G36, HK MP7) and one spring rifle (SA80 L85A1). you may wonder why I have so many, I don't do skirmishes (although they sound fun), but sometimes my friends come round and we have a bit of a shoot out in the garden (that's why I have quite a few guns).
But anyway, to get to the point: They are not horribly powerful or accurate (anything over 30-40m and you have to use automatic) but they can still sting a bit when hit from close range, or on bare skin or areas such as: face, thigh, back of leg and of course the private parts. Basically, if you hit a squirrel or cat with it, it will get out of there as fast as possible, and after that if it hears the noise of the gun it will run! So if you're wanting to get rid of the squirrels without killing them then that's a pretty good way. Or, just use a big watergun!

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birdie_in_Texas

sorry about the mixup fellas..and you both freakin' rock..!!

now..you guys check this out..

this is the gun my buddy is getting, and if you look at the other choices from that same manufacturer, there is an M4 that i want to get as well..

http://www.weaponblender.com/index.php?productID=288

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Doktor Goku

If you're just getting into the sport, Elwenil is right in saying you should get a Tokyo Marui (for electric rifles/SMGs, that is). They're very well built, and have managed to get rid of pretty much any problem that one could face under normal use.

There are a lot of manufacturers who make other, "better" versions for less money, but we at Florida Airsoft quickly learned that unless you're quite the Airosft gunsmith (which we had to become), the other guns are often not work it. I personally used a Tokyo Marui M4A1 as my main gun- once I got more into the sport, I modified it with a metal body, tight bore barrel, enhanced spring, metal gears, etc.

Long story short- I really wouldn't recommend buying a rifle or SMG from anyone other than T.M. if you're just getting into it. The cost is worth it in the long run.

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Bc2ID

Birdie,

I also had a squirrel problem and I too almost bought an airsoft rifle for this. However, your problem can be cured in under two weeks for a lot less money. First, you need to find out where they are coming in from then purchase some chicken wire..or just borrow some... Second, shore up and access routes into the home with said chicken wire. Third, buy a small animal trapping cage, they usually can be found for under $35 or as previously stated borrow one. Fourth, go to your local supermarket and buy a package of RITZ crackers and peanut butter. Place a cracker with peanut butter in the cage and set it. Now fill a trash barrel with water and place it near the trap. You should begin to "trap" those nasty animals shortly..... I am certain that your little problem will go away very soon.

Although, this will not improve your aim, it does take care of your problem and will leave your weekends free to attend the airsoft matches.

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Elwenil

I wouldn't trust anything that cheap. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't buy any AEG they list on their site except for the Classic Army or G&G models, which they oddly don't have any of when you click the name. Quite honestly, if you are not paying over $200 for the weapon itself, you probably aren't getting anything that will last you longer then a month or two. Also, I wouldn't be drawn in with all the fancy grips and scopes. Honestly, at the ranges Airsoft AEG weapons are capable of, a scope is next to useless for anything other than looks. I use an Aimpoint red dot scope with no magnification since there is no real need to see something 40 yds away any closer. The grip that is claimed to be worth so much money on that AEG can be had many places for about $20 depending on the brand. Also, the rail systems are standard Weaver style rails so any $12 scope from Walmart or the one on your hunting rifle will work as well as any other light or similar rail mount accessory. Airsoft replicas however should not be put on real firearms since they aren't made to handle the shock of firing a real round. Check out this page of TM AEGs from Airsoft Extreme:
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/...ath=364_67_534

Any of those would be great with the possible exception of the M16 VN model, which is the Vietnam era M16 replica with the low capacity magazine and different foregrip. It's an older model than the rest and hasn't really been updated. If you really feel you want a AEG with all the bells and whistles added when you buy, check out the custom models Airsoft Extreme offers under the AE Max Guns link in the menu. Be prepared to spend $600-$1200 though. If you just want the power upgrades they can be installed before they are shipped and can be found under the Upgrade Packages link and are worth the money if you don't know how to work on AEGs yourself.

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Tonk

ive never seen an airsoft gun before.. but when i think airsoft i think those hollow(it think they are hollow) yellow plastic pellets usually with a spring that you can get at wallmart int he toy section.. i find myself mistaken, but am left with another question.... what is an airsoft gun?

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Elwenil

That is the "magical" screen behind which the sport of Airsoft has been allowed to grow in the US. When people, including lawmakers, think of airsoft, they think of the old (and new) pistols and springer guns that shoot crappy little yellow BBs. These and the sport of Airsoft and related weapons are nothing alike. True, they both fire BBs and some of the cheap plastic ones will actually fire in an AEG but they can damage it since they are low quality, and very lightweight. An AEG needs quality ammunition of at least .20 grams or heavier and if you have swapped to a tightbore barrel you will have to make sure the BBs are the best you can use as with the tighter tolerance any deviation from perfectly round can jam the BBs in the barrel. An Automatic Electric Gun (AEG) is an electric replica firearm that copies the real weapon in just about every way possible externally. They are 1:1 scale and function a lot like real weapons. For example, my SR-16 has a working fire mode select switch that has safe, single and full auto modes just like the real weapon made by Knights Armament in Vero Beach, FL. The BBs are fed into the weapon from the detachable magazine, just like a real weapon and it fires BBs faster then you can see them come out of the barrel. I hate to say it, but Airsoft is similar to paintball, although traditionally Airsofters despise paintball because of the unrealistic look of the weapons, the tactics, speedball in general and the whole dishonesty/wiping thing. Airsoft is much more a military tactical simulation than anything paintball could ever be. Real tactics, gear, and replica weapons make for a completely different sport. As well as the scenario games that can last a whole weekend, non-stop or the move to contact games and downed pilot scenarios. Since Airsoft has no way of marking it's target as with paintball, it is an honor based game and you call yourself out when hit. Different fields and organizations have different rules but if a player is caught cheating, they are pretty much banned from the field or organization and not allowed to play anymore. Dishonesty and cheating are seen as crimes in the sport of Airsoft and each player must police himself and others to a certain extent to keep the sport's integrity. No one wants to pay $300 for a AEG and then get banned and not be able to play in their area anymore, so we all watch our Ps and Qs.

With that said, nothing short of real combat will give you the feel of battle like Airsoft. The military, police and SWAT/ERT teams train with it as well as other methods. Systems actually produces a sim weapon for police and military training that costs around $1200 that the bolt actually works and the weapon fires 30 rounds and stops.

Typically players use hi-cap mags that hold 300 or so rounds, or mid-cap mags that can hold anywhere from 100 to 200. This offsets the fact that Airsoft weapons are only good for about 60 yards depending on if they are stock or modified. Sniper rifles are single shot and are allowed more FPS to reach out a little further, as much as 100 yards I am told, but they are sort of rare in Airsoft due to the expense, and they are no match for an AEG in close range.

If you can think of a real life weapon, chances are someone makes a Airsoft version of it. They vary in quality and effectiveness but they are out there, pistols, rifles, automatic rifles (SAW), and shotguns. Jump on YouTube and search Airsoft. I'm sure there are plenty of vids on there that will show you matches and the usual stupidity that YouTube gets on any subject.

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Long Bow

These quotes are some of the best I have seen, thank you birdie, you truly made me laugh out loud reading this.

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Bamboo

Listen to Bc2ID above.
Shooting a small mammal with an airsoft gone is not going to work.
Best case is you are up close and get some penatration under the skin, but chances are it is just going to wound it and it will run away.
Then, it will get infected and you will end up with dead rodents in little tiny spaces in your attic that you can't find and will be gagging from the smell of rotting rodent for days or longer.
I would consider that torture for the animal as well, since you are knowingly wounding it so it can crawl off and die a slow death.

What Bc2ID said is the way to go. You will actually have to make an effort to patch the holes in your house and trap them outside or in the attic.
I have heard that many humane societies and shelters will lend you traps or come and put them out for you. I know they did when I lived in N.C.

There are guides online probably at like HGTV.com and the DIY channel's website, cause I have seen shows on this topic before.

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a tree took out some of the roof flashing...it is "fixed" but not worth a damn, and the little rodent bastards were in there before i even realized there was damage done, and are now in walls, ceilings, etc...

traps are not working..2 out of a dozen or more is all..and i don';t use a trash can of water..just stomping their heads works wonders. lot quicker than drowning the little bastards. after playing with a quality AEG last night, there is no chance it is gonna kill anything, you guys were right..so i found a pellet gun that is made for just the circumstances that i am in..but is $230 but will do the job nicely i think...

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Elwenil

Yeah, Airsoft rifles were invented in Japan as a game since they aren't normally allowed to have real weapons over there. If they had the ability to kill a rodent, I don't think I would let anyone shoot one at me, lol. I'm glad you found something that will work. Good luck and aim well! Better hope they don't call in Conker...

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westyfield

Isn't Conker the game with the Squirrels vs the 'Tediz' with loads of random gore?

Birdie, have you tried one of those Ultrasonic cat scarers? They have a motion sensor and when they detect movement, they emit a high frequency noise (too high for humans to hear) which the fluffy little darlings don't like. It might work on squirrels too.

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Elwenil

Yeah, I'm not an Xbox fan, but one of my friends bought that and I laughed my ass off at that. Kind of like Medal of Honor Frontline on crack.

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msdz

Ok, I would recommend any airsoft that has a good FPS range. Most seem pretty low and I will say, you will not kill a squirrel with an airsoft pellet gun that is 350 FPS at a distance of more than 5 feet. Unless you get a direct hit in the eye and it may enter the brain!! I will say that once a small rodent of about the size of a squirrel is hit they generally will not come back for while unless there is a good supply of food or young involved and if they do, a few reminders shots will definitely keep them away.
Also consider how many laws there are now concerning animal abuse, you would need to be very careful, it is considered cruelty to animals where I live and cost a lot to get yourself out of it. Damn neighbor, wonder if I shoot him with the airsoft pellet gun I have if it will be considered attempted murder with a deadly weapon??

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