m110 sniper rifle - Page 2

Acreo Aeneas · 03-10-2008, 06:49 PM

That looks similar to the SPR (aka Special Purpose Rifle/Receiver)...

And that is a pretty nice silencer...long, but it seems to keep the crack of the rifle at bay.

Picture 1 of a SPR:

Picture 2 and apparently a render of the side-view of the SPR:

Elwenil · 03-10-2008, 09:28 PM

The SPR is only a 18" barrel so it sort of falls between the length of a M-16 (20") and an M-4 (14.5"). It also is chambered in the 5.56 round. The SR-25 has a 24" barrel while the M110 has a 20" barrel, both with the 7.62 round.

**Gillespie** · 03-11-2008, 12:14 AM

Useless scout/sniper teams. Had nothing but bemused experiences with sniper teams in Iraq.

Maybe they have a place at the Special Operations level (as much as I can surmise, at least), but in a regular line unit they've never seemed to serve a useful purpose (except pretending they're an SF team and running around adorned in the latest Blackhawk! plate carriers and other nonsense) that a regular infantry squad couldn't fulfill.

Elwenil · 03-11-2008, 12:51 AM

Eh, they serve a better purpose in an active war. In a police action they are next to useless.

**TheBigC** · 03-11-2008, 09:05 AM

It is still a piece of junk. Someone earlier pointed out that this is nothing more than the SR25. That is exactly what it is. It is the evolution of minor exterior tweaks from the SR25, than the MK11 now finally the M110. There has been no major functionality improvements from the Sr25, just some superficial addons. The gun is very finicky what ammo it uses and it tends to jams a whole lot. It can also have a really have a hard time holding a tight shot group, which is contradictory to a sniper rifle. On top of that, the original SR25 was designed to be a sniper support rifle, not a sniper rifle itself.

They would have been better off simply going with a new gun such as the HK417.

**section-8** · 03-11-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigC

HK

OH GOD THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH MONEY!

**TheBigC** · 03-11-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by section-8

OH GOD THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH MONEY!

You joke about, but believe it or not the HK is HALF the price of the Knights Armament's gun!!!!

Elwenil · 03-11-2008, 01:18 PM

The only price I have seen for a M110 is about $12k, and yeah that's pretty pricey, but as much as I love H&K, I would personally would much rather have the KAC since it is more of a "custom" weapon and not just another off the assembly line. I haven't seen a definite price on a HK417/MR308 yet but I imagine it will be in the $4-$6k range for civilians based on the cost of other similar rifles and the usual H&K name tag price. So far the word is they will be available to civilians in the US in mid to late 2008.

Acreo Aeneas · 03-11-2008, 02:58 PM

Okay, the main wondering thought I've always had is this:

Why did the U.S. Army wait so long to replace the M24 bolt-action?

One would think that having a semi-automatic sniper rifle should have come into play in the 1990s during our great o' economic boom.

Elwenil · 03-11-2008, 04:36 PM

The SR-25 in it's various forms has been in use by the US Military for many years. As far as the US Army itself goes, keep in mind that it has had the M14 in service for many years that served well as a semi-auto sniper and designated marksman weapon.

Acreo Aeneas · 03-11-2008, 05:50 PM

Wasn't the major drawback of the M14 its heavy weight?

Elwenil · 03-11-2008, 10:26 PM

Well you could consider several points about the M14 as a drawback, but it was a different weapons system. The M24 and SR25 are both superior in a lot of ways, but it everything is a compromise. Soldiers rarely get the right tool for every job and a lot of the time have to make do with a weapon that can do a lot of things well, but none perfectly.

**CingularDuality** · 03-21-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Okay, the main wondering thought I've always had is this:

Why did the U.S. Army wait so long to replace the M24 bolt-action?

One would think that having a semi-automatic sniper rifle should have come into play in the 1990s during our great o' economic boom.

Actually, that's an easy question to answer. Up until this past decade, the AR (M16) platform just wasn't as precise as the M14, much less a bolt action like the M24. The Army Marksmanship Unit, however, played around and figured out how to make the M16 shine. That's really why the AMU kicked the Marines' butts for a number of years shooting the M16, while the jarheads kept the M14 for competition. Getting the M16 to perform as well as the M14 lent credibility to the platform as a precision performer. Before that, it was widely held to be a mediocre rifle, rarely achieving one minute of angle precision, much less the ability to snipe.

As for why it took so long for the "Stoner" rifle (SR25/.308/7.62) to catch on, I have no idea. Perhaps there were reliability issues? I'm not too familiar with that side of the story.

03-10-2008, 06:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 3,470	Re: m110 sniper rifle That looks similar to the SPR (aka Special Purpose Rifle/Receiver)... And that is a pretty nice silencer...long, but it seems to keep the crack of the rifle at bay. Picture 1 of a SPR: Picture 2 and apparently a render of the side-view of the SPR: __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th Member "...I had my tonsels removed and my breasts enlarged, now I dont need to bother the wife if I want some big nipples in my face. Cha ching!" - Thesleeper01

03-10-2008, 09:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,226	Re: m110 sniper rifle The SPR is only a 18" barrel so it sort of falls between the length of a M-16 (20") and an M-4 (14.5"). It also is chambered in the 5.56 round. The SR-25 has a 24" barrel while the M110 has a 20" barrel, both with the 7.62 round. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil A vote for Obama is change we can believe in? So was the last ice age, but that don't make it good.

03-11-2008, 12:14 AM	#18 (permalink)
Gillespie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 981	Re: m110 sniper rifle Useless scout/sniper teams. Had nothing but bemused experiences with sniper teams in Iraq. Maybe they have a place at the Special Operations level (as much as I can surmise, at least), but in a regular line unit they've never seemed to serve a useful purpose (except pretending they're an SF team and running around adorned in the latest Blackhawk! plate carriers and other nonsense) that a regular infantry squad couldn't fulfill. __________________ <ArmA Information/SOPs> <ArmA Admin Team> <TG Req. Reading>

03-11-2008, 12:51 AM	#19 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,226	Re: m110 sniper rifle Eh, they serve a better purpose in an active war. In a police action they are next to useless. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil A vote for Obama is change we can believe in? So was the last ice age, but that don't make it good.

03-11-2008, 09:05 AM	#20 (permalink)
TheBigC Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Around Age: 36 Posts: 2,759	Re: m110 sniper rifle It is still a piece of junk. Someone earlier pointed out that this is nothing more than the SR25. That is exactly what it is. It is the evolution of minor exterior tweaks from the SR25, than the MK11 now finally the M110. There has been no major functionality improvements from the Sr25, just some superficial addons. The gun is very finicky what ammo it uses and it tends to jams a whole lot. It can also have a really have a hard time holding a tight shot group, which is contradictory to a sniper rifle. On top of that, the original SR25 was designed to be a sniper support rifle, not a sniper rifle itself. They would have been better off simply going with a new gun such as the HK417. __________________ The Meek shall inherit the earth..... after we're through with it! The Wounded Warrior Project, help support my friends

03-11-2008, 01:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,226	Re: m110 sniper rifle The only price I have seen for a M110 is about $12k, and yeah that's pretty pricey, but as much as I love H&K, I would personally would much rather have the KAC since it is more of a "custom" weapon and not just another off the assembly line. I haven't seen a definite price on a HK417/MR308 yet but I imagine it will be in the $4-$6k range for civilians based on the cost of other similar rifles and the usual H&K name tag price. So far the word is they will be available to civilians in the US in mid to late 2008. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil A vote for Obama is change we can believe in? So was the last ice age, but that don't make it good.

03-11-2008, 02:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 3,470	Re: m110 sniper rifle Okay, the main wondering thought I've always had is this: Why did the U.S. Army wait so long to replace the M24 bolt-action? One would think that having a semi-automatic sniper rifle should have come into play in the 1990s during our great o' economic boom. __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th Member "...I had my tonsels removed and my breasts enlarged, now I dont need to bother the wife if I want some big nipples in my face. Cha ching!" - Thesleeper01

03-11-2008, 04:36 PM	#25 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,226	Re: m110 sniper rifle The SR-25 in it's various forms has been in use by the US Military for many years. As far as the US Army itself goes, keep in mind that it has had the M14 in service for many years that served well as a semi-auto sniper and designated marksman weapon. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil A vote for Obama is change we can believe in? So was the last ice age, but that don't make it good.

03-11-2008, 05:50 PM	#26 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 3,470	Re: m110 sniper rifle Wasn't the major drawback of the M14 its heavy weight? __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th Member "...I had my tonsels removed and my breasts enlarged, now I dont need to bother the wife if I want some big nipples in my face. Cha ching!" - Thesleeper01

03-11-2008, 10:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,226	Re: m110 sniper rifle Well you could consider several points about the M14 as a drawback, but it was a different weapons system. The M24 and SR25 are both superior in a lot of ways, but it everything is a compromise. Soldiers rarely get the right tool for every job and a lot of the time have to make do with a weapon that can do a lot of things well, but none perfectly. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil A vote for Obama is change we can believe in? So was the last ice age, but that don't make it good.

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