AUG A3 Variant?

Acreo Aeneas · 03-10-2008, 07:05 PM

Inspired by Bamboo's M110 post...

There's very nice skin of this particular AUG variant for CSS (for those who play CSS but don't know). I like it a lot more than the initial A1 version.

What's everyone else's thoughts (gamers, law enforcement, military, other)?

Elwenil · 03-10-2008, 10:32 PM

I personally find the AUG to be a very uncomfortable rifle. I have tried several Airsoft variants and really don't like the changing mags. M16/M4 variants are far superior in terms of mag changing times but I do concede that the bullpup design does have it's advantages in length and comparable accuracy.

**Gillespie** · 03-11-2008, 01:07 AM

What bullpup designs lose in terms of ease-of-magazine-changing they gain in compact packaging and accuracy (long barrel accuracy in a shortened CQB-ish package). The balance is a bit better, too (M4/M16 designs are a bit front-heavy).

Ultimately, it's all in what you're trained in. Different rifles are good in their own way (yes, I'm attempting to subvert any possible "weapon debates").

Elwenil · 03-11-2008, 01:56 AM

Yeah, it's all in what you like and what you have been trained to use. I'm sure the Brits probably think the M16 and M4 are weird compared to the L85. I just prefer the conventional rifle arrangement and to combat the balance issue, I like a full M16 stock on a M4 length barrel. It's not a CQB weapon, but then I don't plan on kicking down any doors. The choice of foregrip assembly and floating or supported barrel make a lot of difference in the front end weight.

**CingularDuality** · 03-11-2008, 09:58 AM

The AUG is a POS. It suffers from fatally flawed magazine design. If you can find aftermarket aluminum magazines, it would probably be fine, but I've used about 20 different factory mags and every one of them has malfunctioned. Drop a full magazine onto a concrete sidewalk from about a foot up and tell me if only 3 or 4 rounds pop out, or if it hits a corner and the whole magazine empties itself in an amusing little fountain of brass.

Acreo Aeneas · 03-11-2008, 04:01 PM

So basically the AUG mags are made out of composite and the mag internals can "break" if dropped?

So was this issue fixed in the A3? Or is it still present and largely ignored by the manufacturer?

Elwenil · 03-11-2008, 05:43 PM

I'd say it's been understated by the manufacturer and never really addressed. The newer version are mainly adaptations to make the Aug more versatile, as with many other assault rifles. It should be noted that the H&K G3 also uses a "plastic" magazine and and it doesn't suffer from the same issues so it could be assumed that it is a design problem. Still the Aug has been accepted by enough military forces that it must be considered a success. Again, a matter of taste and training.

**CingularDuality** · 03-21-2008, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

So basically the AUG mags are made out of composite and the mag internals can "break" if dropped?

So was this issue fixed in the A3? Or is it still present and largely ignored by the manufacturer?

Nothing breaks. The plastic magazines are simply too flexible.

Ideally, a magazine would keep rounds in the magazine when we want them to stay in, and easily and reliably feed rounds when inserted in a weapon. AUG magazines do neither.

I suppose you could call that "taste and training", but I prefer to call it crappy design/worksmanship. I suppose you could say that since my agency was the first and largest contract in the US, that it's successful, but I prefer to call it crappy contract bidding testing (and/or shady dealings).

03-10-2008, 07:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 4,527	AUG A3 Variant? Inspired by Bamboo's M110 post... There's very nice skin of this particular AUG variant for CSS (for those who play CSS but don't know). I like it a lot more than the initial A1 version. What's everyone else's thoughts (gamers, law enforcement, military, other)? __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th MID Member Current Obsessions: Netbooks and other low-cost, small, and portable PCs.

03-10-2008, 10:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,227	Re: AUG A3 Variant? I personally find the AUG to be a very uncomfortable rifle. I have tried several Airsoft variants and really don't like the changing mags. M16/M4 variants are far superior in terms of mag changing times but I do concede that the bullpup design does have it's advantages in length and comparable accuracy. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil StullUnlimited.com Offroad Parts and Fabrication

03-11-2008, 01:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gillespie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,062	Re: AUG A3 Variant? What bullpup designs lose in terms of ease-of-magazine-changing they gain in compact packaging and accuracy (long barrel accuracy in a shortened CQB-ish package). The balance is a bit better, too (M4/M16 designs are a bit front-heavy). Ultimately, it's all in what you're trained in. Different rifles are good in their own way (yes, I'm attempting to subvert any possible "weapon debates"). __________________ <ArmA Information/SOPs> <ArmA Admin Team> <TG Req. Reading>

03-11-2008, 01:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,227	Re: AUG A3 Variant? Yeah, it's all in what you like and what you have been trained to use. I'm sure the Brits probably think the M16 and M4 are weird compared to the L85. I just prefer the conventional rifle arrangement and to combat the balance issue, I like a full M16 stock on a M4 length barrel. It's not a CQB weapon, but then I don't plan on kicking down any doors. The choice of foregrip assembly and floating or supported barrel make a lot of difference in the front end weight. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil StullUnlimited.com Offroad Parts and Fabrication

03-11-2008, 09:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,061	Re: AUG A3 Variant? The AUG is a POS. It suffers from fatally flawed magazine design. If you can find aftermarket aluminum magazines, it would probably be fine, but I've used about 20 different factory mags and every one of them has malfunctioned. Drop a full magazine onto a concrete sidewalk from about a foot up and tell me if only 3 or 4 rounds pop out, or if it hits a corner and the whole magazine empties itself in an amusing little fountain of brass. __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

03-11-2008, 04:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 4,527	Re: AUG A3 Variant? So basically the AUG mags are made out of composite and the mag internals can "break" if dropped? So was this issue fixed in the A3? Or is it still present and largely ignored by the manufacturer? __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th MID Member Current Obsessions: Netbooks and other low-cost, small, and portable PCs.

03-11-2008, 05:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,227	Re: AUG A3 Variant? I'd say it's been understated by the manufacturer and never really addressed. The newer version are mainly adaptations to make the Aug more versatile, as with many other assault rifles. It should be noted that the H&K G3 also uses a "plastic" magazine and and it doesn't suffer from the same issues so it could be assumed that it is a design problem. Still the Aug has been accepted by enough military forces that it must be considered a success. Again, a matter of taste and training. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil StullUnlimited.com Offroad Parts and Fabrication

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