Re: Another US Civil war?

**viper1986** · 04-01-2009, 10:14 PM

Are they modern because they have aircraft for their airforce or because they have ships for their navy? Your going to have to explain your idea of modern to me because it goes far beyond numbers and gear, but what you can achieve with this army.

Where i did i get this? I am a huge military buff and it doesn't take much to understand that just because you have some shiney gear doesn't mean there is much punch behind it.

**sordavie** · 04-01-2009, 10:26 PM

Where did you get the information that the Chinese strategy is thinking that launching waves of men in any direction will achieve success?

They have a modern army because they have modern equipment and modern strategy and tactics.

**Trooper** · 04-01-2009, 10:27 PM

its really sad when the country with the most civil wars starts predicting other countries having them. Russia is hoping we do so they can reclaim alaska and have our women.

If we did have a civil war it would be across party lines...red vs blue...

**socomseal93** · 04-01-2009, 10:29 PM

I have to agree with Viper the Chinese have no real navy. However, the Chinese have a large airforce but it is lacking sophisticated modern aircraft and the pilots are lack proper training. even if they wanted to invade someone they would have no way of getting there. Should the Chinese somehow manage to land on American shores, the Chinese would loose the battle for air supremacy with in the opening days of war.After loosing the air war the Chinese would be bombed round the clock by b52s and other bombers. Those lucky few Chinese troops that survive the air bombardment would then be destroyed by better equipped and trained American forces. Keywords few Chinese would survive the airforce's relentless bombing, if a large force surived the US would be in trouble. If you look at the Korean war the American forces had superior training and weapons just as good as the Chinese. However, the Chinese had a huge advantage in manpower and they were able to push the Americans back although way to Pusan. Fortunately for the Americans the Chinese supply lines became over strechted and the Americans were able to push them back.

**Charles Darwin** · 04-01-2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by viper1986

Chinese tactics are archaic and hold no weight. Their tactics like that during the korean war are still held under the suspicion that launched mass waves of men in any given direction will achieve success. They have a navy that is built open other nations navies but have ships that are made up of trawlers and and stolen designs. They have aircraft that they can't fly without crashing into stuff and a army that is just big but because of their location, they really have no one to invade. They'd never make it to japan, god only knows going to russia would just be funny. They strategically, no matter how big cannot go anywhere.

china would love to invade taiwan and have been trying for the last what 10 years? with frogmen..if they cant take over a small island a few miles off their coast how the hell will they invade the US?

**viper1986** · 04-01-2009, 10:40 PM

All things aside, its truely interesting to see what other people say. It must be great propganda for those in russia.

**KoopaTroopa** · 04-01-2009, 11:30 PM

China won't invade Taiwan specifically because they know what the United States' military response would be. Conventional war is in nobody's best interests anymore. The global economy is too tightly linked.

By the way, China has an excellent ground force. The problem is - as Sordavie already pointed out - is that they'd lose the air war. Which then means their ground forces are bombed with impunity. If it were a straight ground war (pretend the air forces don't exist) than I believe China would be a serious opponent that would do a great deal of damage to our forces. For example, Germany had the best tanks of the war, but the Soviets and Americans defeated them with mass numbers of inferior tanks. They had highly-motivated infantry, but couldn't keep up with the numbers that the Americans and Soviets pumped out (after the Soviets repulsed the initial German invasion).

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 04-01-2009, 11:55 PM

Nobody has a Navy even close to the USA's. That is where our true defense is.

Delta*RandyShugart* · 04-02-2009, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by socomseal93

I have to agree with Viper the Chinese have no real navy or airforce, even if they wanted to invade someone they would have no way of getting there. Should the Chinese somehow manage to land on American shores, the Chinese would loose the battle for air supremacy with in the opening days of war.After loosing the air war the Chinese would be bombed round the clock by b52s and other bombers. Those lucky few Chinese troops that survive the air bombardment would then be destroyed by better equipped and trained American forces.

Just because China lacks an aircraft carrier and battleships etc does not = that they automatically do not have the capability to use planes in a strategic manner....

You can't say that they would lose either, yes hypothetically you can, but you never know, they could be training round the clock for an inevitable invasion of Taiwan, or Japan....

If you lined up every citizen of china and shot each person one at a time, by the time you get to the last person, their population would be back to what it started out with.

Your last line is the thinking that LBJ had during the Vietnam War, its stubborn and ill equipped, and contains so many holes....

Yes, the United States has the upper hand, and bases around the world, but don't just judge a country militarily because they don't have a Naval fighting force which includes aircraft carriers, they do have the beginnings of a somewhat interesting air force.

**sordavie** · 04-02-2009, 12:28 AM

China's military doctrine is largely defensive in nature. They have a modernization of the Maoist "People's War" doctrine--a kind of combined guerrilla and conventional war doctrine. They have no offensive strategy versus opponents very far from their coastlines.

If there's a military conflict between China and the US, it would be over Chinese invasion of Taiwan. In such a conflict, China's strategy would not be to invade the US. It would be to make continued US intervention too militarily and politically costly. As is evident in Afghanistan and Iraq, one doesn't need a large navy or air force to wage that kind of war against the US.

It would be silly to think that the Chinese don't have a modern armed forces because they don't have the equipment or leadership to wage a war in terms of a US military doctrine--projection of force and technological superiority. They have a very different kind of military doctrine, and the composition of their forces reflects that. Notice China doesn't have any aircraft carriers. It's not that they couldn't build them. Their military and political strategy don't call for a need for aircraft carriers. They have a navy and an air force that suits their needs. Don't you think it's kind of strange to say that the nation with the third largest air force in the world "has no real air force?"

**Ferris Bueller** · 04-02-2009, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Trooper

Russia is hoping we do so they can reclaim alaska and have our women.

They can have Sarah Palin with my blessings.

**Blackdog1** · 04-02-2009, 03:53 AM

Staggered no one has mentioned this.... The Chinese didnt send a missile to destroy a "broken" weather satellite for nothing!!! They know very well that in order to render much of the western eyes and command blind, they have to take out the satellite network and they have recorded every single satellite up there. If anyone also cares to remember their "crappy" airforce in the past, for example those Mig15's in North Korea with Chinese pilots and the later Mig17's in Vietnam, again many with Chinese pilots.... not too shabby for what were considered inferior planes!

They also have a certain Nuclear capability, so no, personally I dont see us ever getting involved in a conflict with them anytime soon, however I do see a time when they improve their air, sea and land defences, just in case for the future.

More importantly they have an even more sophisticated strategy than either the US Airforce or the US navy ... it's called global expansion through commerce, and right now China is buying more raw mineral rights from third world countries faster than any other nation, if they want to control things in the future, they wont need to fire a single bullet. They will simply squeeze the Western world's economy so badly.... any form of attack from the west would be futile.

China is a sleeping giant that is going about it's business very quietly, forming very interesting alliances along the way. Foolish men will ignore their future potential at their peril.

**FooFighter** · 04-02-2009, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by viper1986

Chinese tactics are archaic and hold no weight. Their tactics like that during the korean war are still held under the suspicion that launched mass waves of men in any given direction will achieve success. They have a navy that is built open other nations navies but have ships that are made up of trawlers and and stolen designs. They have aircraft that they can't fly without crashing into stuff and a army that is just big but because of their location, they really have no one to invade. They'd never make it to japan, god only knows going to russia would just be funny. They strategically, no matter how big cannot go anywhere.

Ask the Koreans. Zerg rushes are still extremely effective.

**Vikk|TG-Regulars|** · 04-02-2009, 07:50 AM

its still kidna impossible to invade america. even after a melt down. pretty much nothing will break the fighting spirit of an American soldire. and even if you get past thatyou have to deal with the general population. sinnce almost every american owns a weapon. you will have a huge ass insurgancy on your hands.

**Mech__Warrior** · 04-02-2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Vikk[Armaholic]

its still kidna impossible to invade america. even after a melt down. pretty much nothing will break the fighting spirit of an American soldire. and even if you get past thatyou have to deal with the general population. sinnce almost every american owns a weapon. you will have a huge ass insurgancy on your hands.

Exactly. They'd have to fight something borderline of the War in Iraq but on a much greater scale.

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