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09-08-2009, 10:14 AM #61
Re: District 9
The movie was awesome, not because of how well they did the special effects (freakin' awesome!) or that the story was part social commentary, part action. No, the best part of the movie was that during the entire film, there was no point where I thought "this isn't realistic, that's not how it would happen". Visually the aliens fit in to the world so well that it didn't even feel staged. And they had real character simply from behavior!
I always like to nitpick movie stuff and to be honest, the few plot holes/logic were so minor that I did not catch them until after I left the theater. That is a well made movie.Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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09-12-2009, 03:08 AM #62
Re: District 9
The plotline and cinematography in this movie were so poorly done it makes me puke.
I could write a school essay on why "District 9" does not deserve a "9", More like a 4-5 of 10 .
bleh
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09-12-2009, 07:33 AM #63
Re: District 9
Sooo, most people liked it, a lot, and you come in with that, stating you could write a "school project" about it and then finish with the ever-so-thoughtful, "bleh". Pardon me for saying but don't just say you could write it, write it. Write it so others might have a handle on understanding your position instead of just having a bad taste in their mouth from your boorish post.
"...the rules aren't there to enumerate what is always correct but what is always wrong..."
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09-12-2009, 07:54 AM #64
Re: District 9
Well, wondering how the main character and the alien managed to get from D9 all the way to the bad guy HQ without being detected irked me in the movie. This while the entire corporation's resources were devoted to finding the agent dude, who was apparently Public Enemy #1 in Johannesburg at that time. I was, like, "This is where you insert the obligatory car scene chase if you're not going to bother explaining things".
You'd think a group possessing a half-human/half-alien hybrid, a full-on alien, both carrying alien tech would stand out a bit. At the very least a brief scene of them popping a sewer grate or manhole cover would've glossed things a bit. But getting to HQ, and then wandering back to D9 after blowing up half the building... man. The corporation was full of retards who couldn't find their asses with both hands.
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09-12-2009, 08:11 AM #65
Re: District 9
Granted, that crossed my mind as well. But it isn't so insurmountable as to be utterly unbelievable. They trudged for 3 hours in the sewers and only popped above ground when across the street from HQ. Something that big should have had something explaining it, and it wouldn't take long to put it in there, but it's not as bad as some recent movie blunders. Liiiike, Batman Returns where the device vaporizes water but not the human body... which is mostly water.
Here are a few others. If all they needed was the goop to get home why did they have to stop in the first place? It clearly came from the ship which means they had it all the long before pulling over for directions.
Or why aren't there more humans converting into prawns given that a tiny amount of the goop was all that was needed for a full transformation. We did have humans living in District 9 coming across prawn tech; trading for it in fact. You'd think one of 'em might have handled something contaminated with goop and rubbed his nose afterwards.
BTW, where were the jet fighters do shoot down the capsule returning to the ship? Are we to believe that the US, Russia, China and the EU all wouldn't have some sort of military presence on standby as long as that ship remained nominally operational? Heck, wouldn't S.Africa have obtained some on-the-cheap fighters between now and then?
When you get down to it, yes, there are problems with the story on the technical aspect. But the movie wasn't supposed to be a technical masterpiece. It was telling a human story using a very non-human element to generate interest. IE, the science fiction wasn't the thrust of the story, it was the vehicle that carried the story. The story was excellent. The method of delivery was far and above most other movies of a similar (or greater) caliber in that the holes that are present aren't so glaringly horrible they destroy the entire movie.
For that we need Armageddon forgetting that one huge meteor or a billion smaller ones of the same mass still results in the same amount of energy being transferred into the planet. The difference is the former results in a large kinetic hit which results in a blast wave and a huge conversion into thermal energy destroying all life as we know it while the latter just gets right to the thermal energy destroying all life as we know it. That, my friends, is an insurmountable problem in the plotline.
"...the rules aren't there to enumerate what is always correct but what is always wrong..."
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09-12-2009, 01:26 PM #66
Re: District 9
When movie leaves something out I see it as power use of some effect, in this part it was the discussion which was just before the strike. There are many ways they could've made it there: Sewers like Greyed said, car, or some cleaver disguise. It is not realistic you might say, well even some of the movies based on stuff that has really happened isn't realistic.
Maybe I don't read enough books where everything is told, or its just question what people like and what they don't. I think the story was well built, and there was enough action. What I've read from other people for them, these 2 were both rated as very bad.
I have to answer to some of the stuff greyed threw there though
When the ship came to earth all the shrimp leaders were dead, and the normal shrimps were much like worker bees, they do what they're told and don't have much to go themselves. The main alien in the movie, somehow started evolving the leadership abilities later on.
And it took 20 years to gather the stuff for that goop, its not like it was laying around there. Though the stuff itself took my attention as it is supposed to be some kind of biomechanical liquid, which heals shrimps but also acts as fuel (or something alike) for the ship...
And for the jets, I doubt that any government really would still have interest in the ship so much that they would keep jets patrolling nearby. And apparently, movie is in present day, but the ship has arrived 20 years ago. There was much on purpose left outside the general story line, I would like to see more interviews of the director about the storyline, even though it didn't bother me.
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09-12-2009, 07:53 PM #67
Re: District 9
May contain spoilers, Here's your warning.
Greyed, Here's why this movie is poorly done.
1. At the beginning of the movie we see this large alien ship that came from "Somewhere" and people drilling into the side of it with......hack saws and grinders.....this thing traveled how far, likely running into itty bitty rocks along its way through space. You want me to beleive it's not already Swiss cheese if you can get through the side of it with a Cheap set of power tools?....okay......
2. Throughout the movie it becomes pretty obvious we know nothing about the aliens, Nothing of their culture, nothing of where they came from, nothing of what they plan to do......they're pretty much just "Here" on there way to "Somewhere". Yet we understand fluent Alienese, and they understand fluent English after 20 years of being on the planet..........<<<<<<<That's a huge joke of a story right there.
3. The aliens are selling their weaponry for "Catfood" holy.......neverminid I'm not even going to comment. You can figure that one out for yourself.
4. A half prawn and a Prawn get into a government building unscathed to retreve a bottle of "Fuel"......Nope not gonna fly by me.
5. The Main human Role was a horrible actor.
6. You don't spoon feed a story to people via Narration, a good story is supposed to make you try and induce thought. The only thiing District 9 did was spoon feed what they wanted me to hear, and then make me think how poor of a job they did.
7. You don't do hand held camera styles in professional filming, It induces headaches upon the masses and looks very poor.
8. The prawns sold their guns for catfood.
9. Un-original, its a story based on District "Six" which is a real life event twisted with an alien mix designed to make you think about how messed up the Human species is.
Everyone know's we're mean and want to kill our own species, and other species. <<<Who cares anymore.
If you're going to tell a real story, do so in respect to the people who lived that story. Not in a sub-fiction/half real want to be act with poor story telling, bad acting, and...well you get my point.
10. the Lead MNU "Whatever his rank was" acts like G.I. Joe who's got something stuck up his rear end. Military officers are always well educated, and thought out. *I know a Lt. Colonel in the USMC, the USMC paid for his Masters degree. It was a requirement for the rank*
11. the lead role tried to do some sort of Sacha baren cohen thing in the beginning of the movie. He just looked like a blubbering idiot who didn't know what he was doing, let alone one that should be in charge of an operation that's litterally going to cost Many many thousands of dollars *Evicting the aliens from District 9 would be COSTLY*
Am I seriously the only one who walked out of the movie theater and thought of these things?.
they're the first to pop in my head. I'm sure I can list more though. They're all big issues to the story/movie, they detract a lot from it.
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09-12-2009, 08:27 PM #68
Re: District 9
In my opinion, the movie falls together in the second half into a generic and not particularly well done action movie.
The first half was ok with the mockumentary style, though with several plot holes, some of them listed by Sticky over here .
6/10 perhaps. the main character was pretty annoying. Heres what I found worst:
The heroes are being shot at by heavily armed bad guys close by, in the open without any cover.
Right there they start the generic deep Hollywood conversation going somewhere like "leave me here, you can do it" and "no, I wont leave you here because you are my super best friend". While this LONG conversation takes place, the bad guys seem to forget who they were going to kill, and like the gentleman they are, they wait until the long and detailed conversation is FULLY completed before resuming trying to kill them.
These kind of stupid scenes just killed it for my behalf. I was expecting a new "Children of Men", perhaps I was just in the wrong mindset.
Ill give it a 7/10 since I'm a gunfreak and I thought the PMCs had some interesting gear.Last edited by sparks50; 09-12-2009 at 09:04 PM.

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09-12-2009, 08:31 PM #69
Re: District 9
There's a few good nitpicks there, Sticky. However:
The catfood contained some element in it that equated the food to being a drug. Essentially, they were selling their tech for crack.
Also, the lead guy was blubbering, but it was made apparent in the beginning of the movie that he gained his position because his wife's father was a high-ranking official in MNU.
As for them gaining entry into the building... *shrugs* They did have alien tech that outclassed anything MNU had available.
The director is South African, and I believe he replaced the blacks in the story of District Six with aliens to remove any potential prejudice a viewer would have. If someone who is racist, as many in the apartheid regime were, watching a true-to-life portrayal of District Six wouldn't really have much of an effect on their viewpoint. So you replace blacks with prawns, something neutral that nobody has any standing prejudice on.
The other stuff, "bad acting", "shaky-cam", portrayal of the chief mercenary... that's personal opinion.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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09-12-2009, 09:13 PM #70
Re: District 9
Gillespie, Business does not work because "Daddy works there".
I've never known a business man who would put an idiot into management because he had close ties to the guy, even if he did put an idiot in the position.....it would be a well educated idiot who doesn't act like he's 12.
the lead role acts like a 12 year old, and has no business in a leadership role. CEO's aren't quite as stupid as you might think. They made the MNU one to look like a total dope himself.
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09-12-2009, 09:15 PM #71
Re: District 9
Okay, so I'll put it this way: It's a film about aliens. The base premise is that they show up, we don't know what to do with them and try to integrate, but they prove to be annoying to our social structure, so we segregate them. The only thing in the premise that's a stretch is the aliens part. If you can't accept that premise then of course you'll have trouble with the rest of the movie. But if you do accept it you've suspended disbelief. Imagining many other things that lack should be trivial.
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I supposed the leaders weren't really all dead, that the main one was the leader in hiding. It explained why he had the command module below his house, his leadership and tech abilities. I supposed the fuel which had run out, and the leader perpetuated a fantastic deception on the Humans by just leaving his expendable workers meandering and lawless while he obtained the fuel. It's a similar deception to that of the French captain in Master and Commander, who presented himself as the ships doctor and a dead officer as the captain, and was taken prisoner so he could try to take back the ship later. Again, I don't know what a single alien said so maybe this was obviously not the case.
Regarding the assault, MNU was not government, it was contracted by the gov't to handle the aliens and security. That explained to me that their resources were not unlimited, that they probably didn't have a feed to every security camera in the city or 24/7 air surveillance, that the Colonel could be quite a top notch jerk, and they probably had to be a bit careful about what the told the gov't about the escape. MNU's desire to replicate and sell the alien tech was a powerful motivator that made their secrecy believable, and no company has unlimited resources.
And as to the selling weapons for catfood, the concept of the aliens was that they were not smart enough to know that the weapons were more useful to them in other ways. We have entire continents that were once populated with people who traded their land rights for trinkets. It's also supportable from a concept that the leader (if he was that all along) would let his people suffer, die and even leave them behind if it furthered his ends. He needed time, and in his culture were quite expendable. We have human history of kings sending peasants to their deaths in unimportant battles, and other histories of chiefs selling their people into slavery for their own profits.
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09-13-2009, 12:26 AM #72
Re: District 9
It was a movie I hated but liked. The documentary part was so boring I almost stopped watching it. It took entirely to long to get to the part that made the movie.... the guy gets splashed with the fuel/goop/transformation fluid that turns him into and alien. Once that was oer then the movie started to get interesting. A few of my friends had also agreed that the movie dragged on at the beginning and then ended up being to short when the action picked up. The plot of the movie was good though. Movie could have easily made shorter and got the same depth instead of needing on the documentary BS at the beginning.
I am also a nitpicker when it comes to movies. A lot can be nitpicked in this movie.
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09-13-2009, 01:26 AM #73
Re: District 9
First I don't think it was specified what tools they used. Second, they did say it took them considerable amount of time with the tools they had. Third, why are you presuming that the ship was subject to high speed particle impacts against its naked hull? Their method of FTL is in a location where there are such particles naturally occurring? The ship couldn't have shielding which isn't active while in a parking, well, not orbit but, parking station? This is well traversed territory for anyone who has dabbled in any of the science fiction since the 60s.
Says who? The majority of the prawns were worker class. Obviously they were modeled after insects. Couple that with a need-to-know doctrine and why do you think the worker class of a strictly hierarchal society would know more than the task they need to perform? Or, to give a better analogy take the slave powered pre-age-of-sail ships. Do you honestly think the slaves in the galley pulling the ore knew anything of the plans of their masters, knew where they were going and were somehow, after 20 years, unable to learn to communicate with those around them?2. Throughout the movie it becomes pretty obvious we know nothing about the aliens, Nothing of their culture, nothing of where they came from, nothing of what they plan to do......they're pretty much just "Here" on there way to "Somewhere". Yet we understand fluent Alienese, and they understand fluent English after 20 years of being on the planet..........<<<<<<<That's a huge joke of a story right there.
This has been covered by others though I do find it amusing that point 3 and 8 are the same. Needless to say, this was covered in the movie adequately.3. The aliens are selling their weaponry for "Catfood" holy.......neverminid I'm not even going to comment. You can figure that one out for yourself.
Of course, because an alien ship parking over S.Africa and an insect like race living among us for 20 years is entirely within the realm of possibility but the fact that two individuals armed with exceptionally superior firepower would be unable to break into corporate facility. That's never happened before, ever, right? *ponders bank robberies for a while*4. A half prawn and a Prawn get into a government building unscathed to retreve a bottle of "Fuel"......Nope not gonna fly by me.
Matter of opinion. I did not find his acting deterred my enjoyment of the film at all. In fact, I found the fact that he was an unknown to me helped my suspension of disbelief.5. The Main human Role was a horrible actor.
Heh, that was spoon fed? Granted the exposition was a tad excessive in some parts but it isn't like they explained every little detail nor did they hammer home the overall message overtly.6. You don't spoon feed a story to people via Narration, a good story is supposed to make you try and induce thought. The only thiing District 9 did was spoon feed what they wanted me to hear, and then make me think how poor of a job they did.
Your opinion is contrary to many, many cinematographers and directors. Hand held camera shots lend the impression of urgency and convey the first person perspective.7. You don't do hand held camera styles in professional filming, It induces headaches upon the masses and looks very poor.
It is my considered opinion that people who start off saying a story is unoriginal aren't well versed enough to understand that most stories these days draw heavily from other influences. Or, as it is normally said, every store has already been told.9. Un-original, its a story based on District "Six" which is a real life event twisted with an alien mix designed to make you think about how messed up the Human species is.
As for District Six I'll let myself be an example. Would I have gone to see a historical movie about District Six? Probably not. That's more of a topic that I prefer to read about. I mean I have not, and may never, watch Schindler's List but I have several books about the Holocaust. But did I go to see that new alien flick, get caught up in the story and now want to look for reading material on the real events that was the basis of the story in the movie? Yes. So while you might see it as not doing due justice to the people that went through it they might have gone the different route of trying to sneak the story out in a wrapping that would draw people in. If so here's one person for whom that succeeded.
Yes, because this was clearly a military officer in a first world country running things. Darn it, where's my sarcasm font?10. the Lead MNU "Whatever his rank was" acts like G.I. Joe who's got something stuck up his rear end. Military officers are always well educated, and thought out. *I know a Lt. Colonel in the USMC, the USMC paid for his Masters degree. It was a requirement for the rank*
And you're perfectly suave all the time, never blundering through new situations or making mistakes, errors or inconsistencies. *eyes points 3 and 8* Never, right? Tape yourself the next time you've got a good case of the nerves.11. the lead role tried to do some sort of Sacha baren cohen thing in the beginning of the movie. He just looked like a blubbering idiot who didn't know what he was doing, let alone one that should be in charge of an operation that's litterally going to cost Many many thousands of dollars *Evicting the aliens from District 9 would be COSTLY*
No, there have been others, clearly. A better question is are you being hypercritical? Yes. Why? I dunno.Am I seriously the only one who walked out of the movie theater and thought of these things?.
Almost the entire list was a matter of presumptions or personal taste. Hey, you didn't like the movie, that's fine. I personally can't stand anything that stars Ben Stiller. Tastes differ. But just because we don't like a movie does make the movie bad.they're the first to pop in my head. I'm sure I can list more though. They're all big issues to the story/movie, they detract a lot from it."...the rules aren't there to enumerate what is always correct but what is always wrong..."
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09-13-2009, 04:01 AM #74
Re: District 9
List any sci fi movie you have enjoyed and I can nitpick stuff like your list. However, as noted above most of your issues have to do with an assumption that everyone always behaves rationally in a way that you would expect, surveillance is perfect and you didn't like the killing our own theme what is common in movies. Why do they still make love stories anymore, there's like a billion of those and none of them are original!
As I noted in my post the style, effects and storyline were done well enough for me to enjoy the movie without having blatant issues. The only scene I did not like was the final action part but hey, it's a movie and it is forgivable once.Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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09-13-2009, 05:24 AM #75
Re: District 9
I actually enjoy very few movies, an example of something that I enjoyed would be "A Clockwork Orange". The movie lives up to a very strict sense of what a Great film should be in almost every sense.
Greyed, you seem to be obsessed with the fact that numbers 3 and 8 are the same. I did this on purpose in case you hadn't figured it out.
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