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Discussion: General Forums / General Discussion - District 9 - Originally Posted by stickyjeans69
I actually enjoy very few movies, an example of something that
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09-13-2009, 07:08 AM #76
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Every film is not a great film. Every film does not set out to be a great film. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The world is not binary. This is a common thing I see in gamers, particularly. Either something is the best or it sucks and should never be used. The best class, the best weapon, the best piece of hardware, the best VOIP software, the best car, blah, blah, blahdeblah, blah. If it isn't the best, it is the most utter, vile worst tripe ever to cause horror to the existence of the poster. But that is rarely, ever, the case.
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Common example from movies. Keanu Reeves. Everyone bags on him as a bad actor. A horrible actor. I've heard people describe him as the worst actor ever. I then ask those people a simple question; have they seen any Skinamax movie? All of a sudden the scale now has 3 data points. The best actors EVARRRRRR, Keanu Reeves and the Skinamax acting-which-is-so-bad-they-would've-flunked-high-school-acting-class acting.
Thus he is neither great, nor the worst and, indeed, given the distance between those two points, his acting isn't all that bad.
As I said before, just because you didn't like the movie doesn't mean the movie was bad.
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09-13-2009, 07:35 AM #77
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It wasn't the "Uh, I did that on purpose" Crap. I'd rather not carry lies or BS around with me
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09-15-2009, 06:38 PM #78
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saw this movie and thought it was awesoem. Kinda makes me sad that the director was supposed to do the Halo movie, but had to make D9 instead, tho that movie rocked 2.
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09-15-2009, 08:20 PM #79
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You guys should listen to my brother's stories about visits by directors to the Los Angeles MTA trains. He assists them in setting up shots in movies like Speed, and those directors are real idiots in their understanding of how Real Life works. They create loads of fake tech in their movies to paper over their ignorance, instead of first getting it right and then adapting the story to fit reality. After all, their job isn't to educate the even-more-ignorant public, but to give them the entertainment equivalent of a theme park ride. Real science and engineering just gets in the way of that.
Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?
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09-15-2009, 10:25 PM #80
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Their job is to be entertaining and explosions/car chass/bomb defusing/caller id aren't exciting in real life. Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey
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09-17-2009, 07:02 PM #81
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The only part that gave me that feeling was Wikus and Christopher got into gunfights. I know the heroes have to not die, but using car doors for cover pulled me out of the movie a bit. Wikus's accuracy with the lightning gun I eventually just wrote down to 'That gun is targeting itself'. Originally Posted by snooggums
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01-01-2010, 12:21 AM #82
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The best scifi movie I have even seen. Like Lord of the Rings defined fantasy, this defines Science Fiction.
Science Fiction is supposed to reflect the human condition by use of science. This film does it to almost perfection.
At first I had many of the same questions others brought up. But by the end my imagination filled in the gaps because the film told such a compelling story.
Plus I have the advantage of listening to the directors comments. It adds a lot to the film.
I could argue each of the points but I don't really don't need to. One thing I didn't understand until the end is why they didn't use the weapons to fight back? I think it was because the last leader prevented them from doing this. He knew that fighting would destroy them and prevent them (him and his son at least) from getting back to his world. So he prevented them from fighting back. But he couldn't prevent them from trying to survive and if that meant giving the humans weapons for food so be it.
The story is ultimately about xenophobia. A phobia about life (people) not native to the area. A phobia is an irrational fear. The story deals with about how fear removes rationality from individual thinking. How we can make monsters out of those that are alien to our world.
It also touches on so many other issues. How if you let private interests go free the situation it can go evil. How we deal with those just trying to survive. How those just trying to survive will act. And how the two will clash.
Many want science fiction to tread in areas we know, understand and believe. That is not what science fiction is supposed to do. It is supposed to challenge what what know, understand and believe with regard to the human condition. If it didn't do that then it would just be classroom material that a fifth grader could comprehend.
Great movie. All those that pointed out problems just don't understand what human life encompasses. I suggest to those people go actually experience life outside the safe confines of the developed world. Then you might understand just a bit better.Last edited by El_Gringo_Grande; 01-01-2010 at 12:58 AM.
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You know, its funny. People ragged the crap out of Avatar's plotline, but this movie has the exact same basic plot. Dont believe me? Let me lay it out:
Both movies have a main character who is a human dealing with an alien race. Both main characters start off having little or no understanding about what the alien race is about and are attempting to relocate them. Both main characters are slowly transformed into members of the alien race throughout the movie, and along the way gain understanding of the alien race. Said understanding and sympathy for the aliens' plight leads both main characters to turn their back on their own race in order to help the alien race. Both main characters are ultimately responsible for directly helping the aliens win.
Its the same freaking plot, yet somehow everyone praises District 9 as being patently original and rips Avatar for being a ripoff. Interesting, eh?
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01-01-2010, 02:16 AM #84
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I don't thing avatar was a rip off, it was just a better movie.
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01-01-2010, 03:58 AM #85
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Ever read any classic literary theory? Most stories are based on a few plot paradigms. So of course you'll find many stories that have the same basic plot. None of these modern stories are really original in this general sense.
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Thats my point. Both D9 and Avatar use the exact same plot mechanics and yet received exact opposite reviews on the merits of their plot. Originally Posted by sordavie
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01-02-2010, 05:12 AM #87
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I've not seen Avatar for just this following reason but... the major difference isn't those minor details but the major point that D9 was about a refugee relocation where Avatar is about Imperial expansion. IE, the backdrop upon which the plot points play out radically alter the perception of the characters and their actions. Which is why I haven't seen Avatar. I'm not a huge fan of preachy anti-capitalist clap-trap and that is the impression I got from the previews. "Them thar aliens have resources we want so we're gunna exterminate 'em, YAR!!!!" *yawn* What do you call a cardboard cutout dead horse you're beating again, there, Cameron?
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01-22-2010, 08:48 AM #88
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I know, replying to myself, bad form. But it's been almost 3 weeks and I don't like leaving statements like the above untouched when they no longer apply. Originally Posted by Greyed
I've since seen Avatar. My wife drug me to it one evening. Visually, stunning.
The science part, not so much. I know its an alien planet with completely alien ecosystems but I couldn't help but wonder how the critters we're supposed to empathize with are 4-limbed while all the other critters were 6-limbed in an effort to be more alien. You'd think at that point the critters we're supposed to be empathizing with would also be 6-limbed. Sure, sure, they could be on wildly divergent paths of evolution but the whole bonding of their nervous system implies a much more common ancestor than between us 4-limbed critters and the 6-limbs insects here on Earth.
But I digress. The main reason I didn't want to see it was because I felt it would be too preachy. Well, I was right and wrong. It was preachy. It just wasn't as overt about it as I feared. I still rolled my eyes at the cardboard cutout capitalist-as-bad-guys claptrap but it didn't get in the way of what is an enjoyable flick.
I do, however, stand with what I said about D9 in comparison to Avatar and think D9 was the better movie. The context of D9 not only made the story itself more palatable but kept the focus on what we humans are capable of, not particular scapegoat ideologies."...the rules aren't there to enumerate what is always correct but what is always wrong..."
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01-23-2010, 12:13 PM #89
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Do you honestly think that isn't exactly what would happen. If exotic minerals worth mega-trillions of $$ were found on a moon of Jupiter, and life was found there as well, that companies wouldn't race to get their regardless of what it did to the life there.
You don't know your history.
So what's wrong with making a movie about the dangers of that greed.
But this is starting to turn into a sandbox thread and less about the movie.
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01-23-2010, 04:15 PM #90
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You don't know your present. This is set in the future. Originally Posted by Bamboo
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