Nightsd

The only time PC games will ever die, is the same day that PC's themselves will die.

I believe that consoles are more unstable and will die off quicker. Hell, maybe someday PC's and consoles and everything else we use will be an integrated device like a PDA. Who knows. Who cares.

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ScratchMonkey

Consoles are closed hardware. So there's some benefit in stopping cheating, because it's much harder to hack the game. Dedicated cheaters will still get development consoles. Script kiddies would have to mod their systems. It wouldn't stop cheating, but it would slow it down.

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http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1841218,00.asp

I found this in the thread on the Brennus linked. Its a solid article and I recommend reading it.

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Root

The xbox is pretty much a PC. Xbox next (or 360 or whatever this weeks name for it is) is even closer to being a PC

It's not so much PC gaming is dying. What's happening is we're going to see all the consoles end up being PC's in console cases, with media players and internet browsing built in. M$ have done a far superior job to sony when it comes to marketing, couple that with the fact that the xbox is more powerful than the PS2.

Xboxes lack the internal space to really customise them. It's illegal in the UK to do things like chip them, because M$ also excel in the legal department. Other console manufacturers can also afford to pay lawyers and lobby groups, and buy the same protection. The laws will eventually get tightened to the point where you can't put a new hard drive in your xbox unless you go to an approved company.

Between xbox 1 and 2, it will utterly dominate the console market. When you can get your net access and media player all in one unit, sheep are far less likely to buy a PC, which will in turn have a negative impact on demand for PC games.

I suspect the decline in PC gaming will continue. I also think there will be a revival, and it will be caused by linux gaining far more share of the home user market. A lack of games is one of the many reasons why people don't switch. If the image of entirely command line driven geek-ware can be wiped away with easy GUI installs, and package installation that works like clicking on setup.exe, more users will switch.

Given the generally open source nature of linux programs, I can see the sort of people who make game mods like NS and Dystopia (lets also remember CS used to be free) eventually transferring their talent to linux and giving it the boost it needs to help make it a far more attractive choice for gamers.

I won't be giving my PC up any time soon

Root

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Vinzalf

Everything has a lifespan..

But, I'll have you know, I still play board games and cards ( Yes, those thin pieces of cardboard... ) when I have the time to, in addition to the PC. PC Gaming didn't kill them for me, though you know they tried, I think I have Hoyle's card suite for Windows 4.1


If anything is killing PC Gaming for me, It's having a career.


I still believe everything is going to be integrated together making something of a hybrid, and eventually all the electronic hardware we'll need will be surgically implanted in our bodies at birth so we would have no need for something like a console, or PC, or Cell phone, or even our Identification media (Drivers License, Passports, etc.)

But thats another forum topic all together.

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Mateo

Jack me in baby!

Anyone Alastair Reynold's stuff? I'd be one of the first Ultras.

Vinzalf

Shhh, I said another forum topic all together.

PC Gaming will not die, It will evolve, adapt, and assimilate. ( Query: Do you think Consoles are assimilating PCs, or PCs assimilating Consoles... )

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Mateo

Good old fashioned thread hijack.

Come on, this topic has been done to death more than....

PC v. Mac
Xbox v. PS2
Linux v. Windows
Coke v Pepsi
KDE v. Gnome
Dominos v. Papa Johns
Teri Hatcher v. Eva Longoria
The Big Mac v. The Whopper
Kirk v. Pickard

It's been done, in other words.

Acid

Ok, I have the funniest link for you guys:

The decline of video gaming
The decline of video gaming 2
The decline of video gaming 3


Have fun kiddies.

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Vinzalf

I honestly think it will fluctuate between Consoles and PCs until the day they become indistinguishable from another.

And when that time comes, there will be other exciting things for us to disect and discuss the life of.

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icky

Huh? The xbox was a PC with video-out and a single-tasking OS. The 360 steps away from the standard PC architecture. It is most certainly NOT closer to being a PC.

The PC will never be dead as a gaming platform, but my belief has always been that the console and the PC will eventually be the same thing. I still see this as a pretty distant convergence though. It will still be 10 years or more before it is complete.

The distinctions between consoles and PC's are disappearing one-by-one. Recently, consoles have had the mostly positive (for teens) advent of online multiplayer gaming, the hugely important introduction of downloadable bonus content, and the horrifying (but inevitable) arrival of game patches. What I consider the last three items are: resolution, controllers, and location.

Resolution is controlled by the capabilities of the display. Consoles are right now getting their first-ever and perhaps last resolution upgrade with the forced introduction of HDTV. This will be a huge leap forward for console gaming, but PC's have been beyond that point for a long time. The convergence point is difficult to pin down for this one. Our thirst for more pixels has to be quenched at some point, but at what point? Right now, even with HD, the PC is ahead on resolution. A 30" monitor on your desk can display 3200x1800, but you'll still appreciate double that resolution as long as the hardware can pump out the pixels fast enough. The answer in my mind is that the TV and the PC monitor need to converge first. The TV needs to be replaced by a device with the same resolution capabilities as the PC monitor before we can move forward in this area. Unfortunately, there isn't much driving big-screens to display beyond HDTV resolutions. That means it will all be driven by the growth of the desktop monitor.

Controller distinction between PC's and consoles is really a biproduct of the whole concept of fixed standard hardware. The only standard input on a PC is the keyboard and the mouse. Obviously the standard input on a console (ignoring Nintendo for the moment), is a two-handed joystick. Anyone who has used a keyboard while sitting on their couch knows that it is not going to go mainstream. Convergence will require a solution which eliminates the keyboard and mouse combo. Maybe it will be a motion-detecting wand of some sort.

Location is the final distinction. When all else has converged, the only difference between a console and a PC will be the location where you use them. Consoles right now sit in a room with a TV and a couch. A place where a group of friends can gather around a large screen and play some games together. A computer desk does not do this well. On the other hand, a large TV is definitely not what you want to be staring at when you are trying to do serious computer work. Resolution improvements MAY change this, but I don't see it happening. The only solution which can satisfy both environments is a device with multiple display outputs.

So I see the converged product as a device which displays on high resolution devices, with dual output devices being the standard. One large size display in the TV room, and one desktop size display. The same games will be played on either of the displays using a common set of controls which are suitable in either location. PC gaming won't disappear, console gaming won't disappear, but the console will. The only difference will be where you sit to play.

IMHO.

I can't believe I just wrote an essay in what started as a short response post. Sorry for any grammar or speeling errors, that stuff is too long to re-read.

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icky

Ya, what he said.

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Ain't that the truth....

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Lesse, that's 4 sequels, one expansion, and 2 games I've never heard of before now.

The problem I have with PC gaming is that, with the rise of the EA empire there is very, very, very little originality and presentation value in games anymore. Companies are just out rehashing the same good ideas until they've been beaten into the ground so as to maximize their profit. And no, presentation value does not mean they have a particularly good actor doing the voice-over reads of the mission discriptions before each mission, which is about all you get anymore.

So, in that sense PC games are "Dying" because consoles tend to have more original concepts on the whole. It's also why I've bought more console games than PC games lately. But It's hard to say that PC games are going anywhere when the industry pulls in billions of dollars a year.

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Spore is one you should know about. It has a very interesting concept, but whether that will translate into quality game play is unknown.

http://spore.ea.com/

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