Reputation System - Page 4

Keres · 03-27-2006, 04:10 PM

I would not like to see the awards system implemented on the forums. To me, it is the same thing if not worse than the bubble system. The people who'll be rewarded will be the ones with lots of friends in TG, and I can see it being exploited. I say if we do away with the bubbles, we don't implement anything in its place. People should be able to tell what a good post is when they see it without a ribbon (or a string of bubbles) to guide them.

**Apophis** · 03-27-2006, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keres

I would not like to see the awards system implemented on the forums. To me, it is the same thing if not worse than the bubble system. The people who'll be rewarded will be the ones with lots of friends in TG, and I can see it being exploited. I say if we do away with the bubbles, we don't implement anything in its place. People should be able to tell what a good post is when they see it without a ribbon (or a string of bubbles) to guide them.

The awards are not so much about posts as they are recognition of achievements. In the BF2 world (where they are popular) nominations for ribbons can come from anyone. You don't need to be popular to get a ribbon awarded to you, you just need nominations from your peers. The new system would work much the same way.

**Pokerface** · 03-27-2006, 04:17 PM

I have to go with Keres on this one. At least with the rep system, the democracy was broad and transparent. Anyone can nominate, maybe, but the actual decision isn't open to more than a handful of people for any given game.

Keres · 03-27-2006, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

The awards are not so much about posts as they are recognition of achievements. In the BF2 world (where they are popular) nominations for ribbons can come from anyone. You don't need to be popular to get a ribbon awarded to you, you just need nominations from your peers. The new system would work much the same way.

I could get myself a server full of nominations for any award right now if I tried hard enough, but that wouldn't be enough. This system is just as easily exploitable and not worth your time or effort to put in play. Let the forums be a place where we discuss, not show off.

Acid · 03-27-2006, 04:28 PM

I was thinking exactly what Keres said about the ribbon system. There have been big discussions in the past about the ribbon system (and let's not start one here), and how it is unfair. Many people deserve one, just like with the big contributer with the one bubble.

**Apophis** · 03-27-2006, 04:31 PM

Well, the ribbon system is already here and has been functioning quite well for BF2 for several months now. I guess it's possible that NS could just be excluded, but the system has proven itself quite nicely in the BF2 arena and other segments of the community are really looking to be able to utilize it as well.

If it doesn't fit in the NS scheme of things that can certainly be addressed. It's quite an accomplishment to become proficient enough to earn these ribbons in BF2 and is vetted considerably better than that of just clicking +rep.

I trust the admin team in BF2 to make the right decisions regarding how to deal with the nominations. If I couldn't trust them enough to continue with what they've done and to use the new system as fairly as they use the existing system, i've chosen the wrong admin team.

Spartan25 · 03-27-2006, 04:57 PM

Meh I don't like the ribbon system much either. Sometimes it seems that its just a select group that gets them and the majority of other people don't. It feels like the rep system. I think that if we just (as many other people have said) left the rep there and didn't see it on posts.

**P8riot** · 03-27-2006, 04:59 PM

I never cared much for the rep system as they have existed in most forums because of the type of behavior that it illicited from forum members. It can be noted however, that I personally feel the type of behavior I saw on other forums is absent here.

I've been to many other forums and felt compelled to be a member of very, very few. Even more increadibly, I've only ever been compelled to be a supporting 'member' of only one.. I guess I am just not a 'joiner', but I view it as sign of my appreciation for the work all members contribute to the whole. TG is what it is despite all forms of ranking and recongnition not only by the members it attracts - but the members it keeps. I hope it stays that way despite the use of (or none use of) bubbles, bars, stars, and ribbons.

PEACE! and ENJOY!

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**Pokerface** · 03-27-2006, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

Well, the ribbon system is already here and has been functioning quite well for BF2 for several months now. I guess it's possible that NS could just be excluded, but the system has proven itself quite nicely in the BF2 arena and other segments of the community are really looking to be able to utilize it as well.

That's the trick though... it's a game-based system. The rep system -- for better or for worse -- was a community-based system.

For an outsider, the rep system indicated (should have, at least -- I'll leave your take on its abuse intact) who spoke useful truth and who might have trouble distinguishing elbows from other body parts, whereas the ribbon system tells me "when I get on the BF2 server, I can trust this person to be a decent medic" or such. The Volunteer ribbon is the only one that transcends the game world well.

It's not a matter so much of NS (or any game) being excluded; for me it's more that the ribbon information doesn't deserve a place of prominence in the postbit.

SmokingTarpan · 03-27-2006, 05:17 PM

Personally, I don't like rep systems on forums; I think it eventually trickles down to being a popularity system. My respect for a person comes from reading their posts and noting their attitudes, not how many bubbles or whatnot they have. A stranger's reputation means very little to met until I meet/read them on my own.

fldash · 03-27-2006, 05:41 PM

I'm all for the rep system without the bubbles and just the feedback, but I'm not a huge fan of the ribbon system.

**Apophis** · 03-27-2006, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokerface

That's the trick though... it's a game-based system. The rep system -- for better or for worse -- was a community-based system.

For an outsider, the rep system indicated (should have, at least -- I'll leave your take on its abuse intact) who spoke useful truth and who might have trouble distinguishing elbows from other body parts, whereas the ribbon system tells me "when I get on the BF2 server, I can trust this person to be a decent medic" or such. The Volunteer ribbon is the only one that transcends the game world well.

It's not a matter so much of NS (or any game) being excluded; for me it's more that the ribbon information doesn't deserve a place of prominence in the postbit.

You make some good points. The ribbon system is in place for BF2, and I've gotten a lot of requests to expand it to the other games. Many of the game officer, admins, and players would love to offer a similar system for the people who play the variety of games here at TG. Adding it to the postbit was/is an easy way to implement the system while not worrying about bloated signature space.

I could remove it from the postbit and allow members to add the graphics to their signatures if they so desire while still supporting the system overall for the individuals that wish to participate and use it. The other option is to keep game ribbons confined to their own forums and use the postbit award system for site-wide awards that are given. Such as the volunteer award.

Personally, I find it more beneficial to reward people and allow them to show pride for their accomplishments in the games they play (after all, it is why we're here), than to reward them and push up a set of bubbles because they are your friend and you'll +rep anything they post because you want them to have more bubbles than the next guy.

**Trooper** · 03-27-2006, 05:47 PM

I think the ribbon system works and is implemented well. They are not just given out, alot of talk and debate by the BF2 admins goes on that none of us members see. JMJ puts alot of work into it and does a great job. Seeing people with those ribbons is also a kind of token of stature in the BF2 half of our community. Those ribbons are not just for that reason its to reward those who know the TG rules and SOPs and show them on the battlefield.

The rep at times has gotten out of hand, i had a ton of rep just given to me out of no where half the time, i think thats more of a popularity contest then the ribbons. I really hope we can implement those ribbons in other games. I know at times Ive nominated someone from another game but because it was only for BF2 nothing happened with it.

If you disagree with it wait until you see it implemented across the board before making any judgment on it.

icky · 03-27-2006, 06:13 PM

The ribbon system works great in BF2. Certain people DO tend to get more ribbons (myself included) because they spend more time playing with people who remember to nominate. It isn't flawless, but it does work. If you see someone who you think should have gotten a ribbon already walking around with none, you have the power to fix it. No nominations are ignored.

My suggestion for the forum ribbons would be to have a set of ribbons like so:
Conduct
Volunteer
BF2 Veteran
NS Veteran
etc.

(Veteran could be replaced by anything indicating skill/experience in the given game)

And then the game-specific ribbons would remain essentially as they are, minus the generic community ribbons (Conduct/Volunteer).

Then do as you said, and show the game-specific ribbons only in the game forums where they apply.

**Trooper** · 03-27-2006, 06:14 PM

Multi game ribbons

I made this thread a while back for this very reason, trying to get the ribbons across the board. You will see some good opinoins and thoughts on it. Its a good thread and has alot of responces from admins and GOs.

03-27-2006, 04:10 PM	#46 (permalink)
Keres Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loganville, Georgia Age: 20 Posts: 498	Re: Reputation System I would not like to see the awards system implemented on the forums. To me, it is the same thing if not worse than the bubble system. The people who'll be rewarded will be the ones with lots of friends in TG, and I can see it being exploited. I say if we do away with the bubbles, we don't implement anything in its place. People should be able to tell what a good post is when they see it without a ribbon (or a string of bubbles) to guide them. __________________ -------- Zephyr: Besides Wyzcrak and his godly voice; the kind of voice that you will expect to say "Zephyr, I need you to build an ark at Marine Start, with room for two of every structure so that I may turret spam for 40 days and 40 nights" that is. Squeak:Sometimes I'm awed by zibs genius. Then I remember he's Canadian and I feel significantly less threatened.

03-27-2006, 04:17 PM	#48 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 30 Posts: 5,773	Re: Reputation System I have to go with Keres on this one. At least with the rep system, the democracy was broad and transparent. Anyone can nominate, maybe, but the actual decision isn't open to more than a handful of people for any given game. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

03-27-2006, 04:28 PM	#50 (permalink)
Acid Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MA Posts: 3,581	Re: Reputation System I was thinking exactly what Keres said about the ribbon system. There have been big discussions in the past about the ribbon system (and let's not start one here), and how it is unfair. Many people deserve one, just like with the big contributer with the one bubble. __________________

03-27-2006, 04:31 PM	#51 (permalink)
Apophis Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 36 Posts: 8,974	Re: Reputation System Well, the ribbon system is already here and has been functioning quite well for BF2 for several months now. I guess it's possible that NS could just be excluded, but the system has proven itself quite nicely in the BF2 arena and other segments of the community are really looking to be able to utilize it as well. If it doesn't fit in the NS scheme of things that can certainly be addressed. It's quite an accomplishment to become proficient enough to earn these ribbons in BF2 and is vetted considerably better than that of just clicking +rep. I trust the admin team in BF2 to make the right decisions regarding how to deal with the nominations. If I couldn't trust them enough to continue with what they've done and to use the new system as fairly as they use the existing system, i've chosen the wrong admin team. __________________ Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

03-27-2006, 04:57 PM	#52 (permalink)
Spartan25 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 135	Re: Reputation System Meh I don't like the ribbon system much either. Sometimes it seems that its just a select group that gets them and the majority of other people don't. It feels like the rep system. I think that if we just (as many other people have said) left the rep there and didn't see it on posts. __________________ 99. A smiley face is not used to mark a minefield. 100. Claymore mines are not filled with yummy candy, and it is wrong to tell new soldiers that they are. 101. I am not allowed to mount a bayonet on a crew-served weapon.

03-27-2006, 04:59 PM	#53 (permalink)
P8riot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Age: 38 Posts: 2,820	Re: Reputation System I never cared much for the rep system as they have existed in most forums because of the type of behavior that it illicited from forum members. It can be noted however, that I personally feel the type of behavior I saw on other forums is absent here. I've been to many other forums and felt compelled to be a member of very, very few. Even more increadibly, I've only ever been compelled to be a supporting 'member' of only one.. I guess I am just not a 'joiner', but I view it as sign of my appreciation for the work all members contribute to the whole. TG is what it is despite all forms of ranking and recongnition not only by the members it attracts - but the members it keeps. I hope it stays that way despite the use of (or none use of) bubbles, bars, stars, and ribbons. PEACE! and ENJOY! edits: Dont'cha just kick yourself sometimes when you post before really, re-reading it? __________________ Age of Conan: Tharashk (Taxiarchos), Thaumiel (alt), guild Ars Tactika - Cimmeria XBox360 GamerTag: P8riotOne (but it might also be my son playing - he can game with TG tho!)

03-27-2006, 05:17 PM	#55 (permalink)
SmokingTarpan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,471	Re: Reputation System Personally, I don't like rep systems on forums; I think it eventually trickles down to being a popularity system. My respect for a person comes from reading their posts and noting their attitudes, not how many bubbles or whatnot they have. A stranger's reputation means very little to met until I meet/read them on my own. __________________ [squadl] "I am the prettiest african-american, vietnamese..cong..person." -SugarNCamo

03-27-2006, 05:41 PM	#56 (permalink)
fldash Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Age: 29 Posts: 936	Re: Reputation System I'm all for the rep system without the bubbles and just the feedback, but I'm not a huge fan of the ribbon system. __________________ It is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9/NIV

03-27-2006, 05:47 PM	#58 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,830	Re: Reputation System I think the ribbon system works and is implemented well. They are not just given out, alot of talk and debate by the BF2 admins goes on that none of us members see. JMJ puts alot of work into it and does a great job. Seeing people with those ribbons is also a kind of token of stature in the BF2 half of our community. Those ribbons are not just for that reason its to reward those who know the TG rules and SOPs and show them on the battlefield. The rep at times has gotten out of hand, i had a ton of rep just given to me out of no where half the time, i think thats more of a popularity contest then the ribbons. I really hope we can implement those ribbons in other games. I know at times Ive nominated someone from another game but because it was only for BF2 nothing happened with it. If you disagree with it wait until you see it implemented across the board before making any judgment on it. __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

03-27-2006, 06:13 PM	#59 (permalink)
icky Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa Valley Posts: 6,154	Re: Reputation System The ribbon system works great in BF2. Certain people DO tend to get more ribbons (myself included) because they spend more time playing with people who remember to nominate. It isn't flawless, but it does work. If you see someone who you think should have gotten a ribbon already walking around with none, you have the power to fix it. No nominations are ignored. My suggestion for the forum ribbons would be to have a set of ribbons like so: Conduct Volunteer BF2 Veteran NS Veteran etc. (Veteran could be replaced by anything indicating skill/experience in the given game) And then the game-specific ribbons would remain essentially as they are, minus the generic community ribbons (Conduct/Volunteer). Then do as you said, and show the game-specific ribbons only in the game forums where they apply. __________________ Peace through fear... since 1947!

03-27-2006, 06:14 PM	#60 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,830	Re: Reputation System Multi game ribbons I made this thread a while back for this very reason, trying to get the ribbons across the board. You will see some good opinoins and thoughts on it. Its a good thread and has alot of responces from admins and GOs. __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

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