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    Little old lady used to lead our all-boys high school in song during school mass. As you might imagine, getting us to sing was a bitch, and it was mostly her blaring and most of us mumbling.

    There was some song that talked about Jesus carrying the cross, and it made some reference to "under the weeeeeiiiiight of the woooooood."

    We always sang that as loud as we possibly could (just those words, not the whole song; seniors section of school gymnasium; use your imagination). She was always so proud of us for giving that extra effort.

    And we just thought it was hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBane
    Remember at 19 your life has just started
    Amen to that. You probably don't realize just how true it is until you reach 30.
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    Don't waste time. Don't be that guy that wakes up one day at 35 only to realize he's stuck in a dead end job that he hates and no where to go and has to keep doing what he's doing to support himself or worse his family.
    Great advice Norcal, I am that guy you are describing. I work for Fedex in 115 degree heat running my ass off and at the end of the week I see my paycheck and cringe. I will be lucky if I can get me 20 years in, If my body holds together that long. I have a family and I only have 3 semesters of college education. I need to support my family so I can't go anywhere, so what I am getting at is:

    Listen to what Norcal is saying find that "it" whatever it may be and go for it. If you love it you will make enough money at it to survive. If you love it you will be happy and that goes a long way. Good luck in your search Yer Mom I hope you find that "IT"

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    This thread has definitely been motivational for myself as an eighteen year old college bound slacker. Definitely need to get off my ass and get out there so as not to be stuck in the same situation as Yer Mom. Teaching will probably be the profession I settle into, it's one of few "job" type careers I could live with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBane
    Just one comment never ever think education is to expensive!
    I disagree. I work side by side with folks that have spent thousands and thousands of dollars to get their masters degree, and all I have is a high school diploma. A piece of paper is not always important, and is rarely an indication of how smart someone is (whether you're referring to intelligence, wisdom, or experience). Employers know this too.



    That comes out to $29K annually for a hs grad, $47K for a bachelors, $55 for a masters and $70 for a doctorate. Let's see, how much debt from student loans would those educations incur? And, including interest, how long would it take to pay them off? Mmmmhmmmm...

    No, I don't think that saying education is NEVER too expensive is an accurate comment.


    Much more important than education is what Drizzid and NorCal indicated: you've got to enjoy your job. If you like going to work and doing what you do, it'll make life a LOT easier. If you dread going to work every single day, well, why in the world would you live a life like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CingularDuality
    I disagree. I work side by side with folks that have spent thousands and thousands of dollars to get their masters degree, and all I have is a high school diploma. A piece of paper is not always important, and is rarely an indication of how smart someone is (whether you're referring to intelligence, wisdom, or experience). Employers know this too.

    That comes out to $29K annually for a hs grad, $47K for a bachelors, $55 for a masters and $70 for a doctorate. Let's see, how much debt from student loans would those educations incur? And, including interest, how long would it take to pay them off? Mmmmhmmmm...

    No, I don't think that saying education is NEVER too expensive is an accurate comment.

    Much more important than education is what Drizzid and NorCal indicated: you've got to enjoy your job. If you like going to work and doing what you do, it'll make life a LOT easier. If you dread going to work every single day, well, why in the world would you live a life like that?
    The level of education you complete is not the only measure employers go by. But it is often the first and foremost. Education may not always pay, but on the average it does (see your image) and it definately opens doors and windows for career options. Higher education is a tool and an investment. And you make it what you want. But to say it is "rarely" an indication of how smart someone is is just your opinion, Cing.

    Employers filter applicants by level of education. Of course you can still be smart without going to school, but having a diploma is an untested indication of your intelligence, commitment, and drive. Employers know that, that is why folks go to college and get degree's. If college was a bad choice most of the time, not a lot of people would be going--because I can tell you, the half of the people in college aren't going to "expand their knowledge." They're probably going because of the financial pay-off. And there is a good financial pay-off. The other people are going because to get the jobs that they will enjoy, they need to have a degree to prepare them for that career. Not to mention that college itself is completely fun.

    Getting a college degree on your own isn't easy (a lot of kids do get help from family). But it's not a bad move to make. Most student's will have educational loans paid off in 10 years. The payments will depress the take-home pay early on, but you more than catch up for 'lost pay' throughout the span of your career.

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    Re: I need a job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    The level of education you complete is not the only measure employers go by. But it is often the first and foremost. Education may not always pay, but on the average it does (see your image) and it definately opens doors and windows for career options. Higher education is a tool and an investment. And you make it what you want.
    Absolutely. I didn't post that to discourage anyone, only to point out that the average salary based on education level isn't as high as most people I know seem to think, and that it's not always going to be worth it... In general, getting an education is certainly something that will benefit most people in one way or another.

    But to say it is "rarely" an indication of how smart someone is is just your opinion, Cing.
    No, that's a fact...

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    There's a ton of programs out there to help you finance your Education.
    All of which keep you in serious debt until you're 60.

    Except for one "financing program", called a part-time job.

    Well, that and dad. But I ain't gonna be one of those dads, even if I break a million by the time they're 18.

    Unless you're in an Ivy league school, which aren't better quality, just social mills for the rich, going to school isn't that expensive. You can deliver pizzas or wait at a good-tipping restaurant or bar three or four nights a week for the entire time and make it. Not just make it barely, but really eat, drink, and be merry, and get a 3.0 or better!

    I was in school from 1992-1997 (UNLV, accredited in Computer Science). It started at $52/credit, then ended at $65/credit. Today, I've heard of $85/ or $90/credit. Pessimistic, $90/credit, on a full load of 17 credits, is $1530, books would maybe be as high as $500. So about $2,000/semester. Then you have to live and eat, but heck, you have to live and eat anywhere anyway. $500 studio, $400 food, gasoline, and fun, $400 for electricity, gas, cable Internet, and cell phone. Heck, throw in the extra $200 to make it $1500 a month to live. That's an $18,000/year lifestyle, plus $5000 a year for school (more "extra" money thrown in). Oh, startup costs. You need $2000 for a rust bucket, $500 for furniture, $1000 for a laptop. Who says school is expensive?? And I'm being generous, too, with the private studio, private Internet, electricity of one air conditioner all to yourself, and own car. Split up a $1,200 four-bedroom appartment, you can cut that by $5,000/yr with the shared resources. (oh, extra $50 in startup costs for the combination lock on your bedroom door, and $200 for a private fridge).

    I worked at the Mirage Hotel in Las Vegas for my first two years. It was a real job, with people around me who were making a living wage from this job, with commission. I asked for 20 hours, they gave me 25 or even 32. (Summer times, I would rack up the 1.5 overtime and 2.5 holiday, even 3.0 overtime/holiday pay.) I was sometimes up at 2am to finish accounting to get up at 7am for school, then to work in the afternoons, and more homework at night. The first semester I QUIT was the first semester I got no A's and my first ever C!. I regret that to this day. Both the experience, and especially the power money gave me. And there's something about the variety of activity, at that age, which just gives you more energy to do more. You don't feel like oooooh, gosh, I haaaaaave to be up 18 hours. It's more like, how do I budget this evil thing my body needs called sleep time so I don't miss anything.

    If you go to grad school for a Master's or direct PhD, then you can stop waiting tables and start working for the school. All the grad school jobs pay you full-time, but there's an understanding that you're still in school. So you can validly take a full load of 12 credits (12*3 hours =>36 hours of study and class time) and work full time at 40 hours. The math becomes 40 hours study plus 40 hours work equals 60 hours, because you walk 5 minutes from work to class to lunch and back to work, then either basketball or ballroom dance in the evenings, pick your flavor. And this becomes really focused activity, because you come from your thermodynamics class then go to work anylizing satellite data. You also can get paid in the summer time for study-work, but they feel like sabaticals. Not just vacations, but downright sabaticals. One friend of mine went to a tellescope in the middle-of-nowhere-with-no-electricity-to-distrurb-the-telescope, Virginia, for the summer, then to the Very Large Array in New Mexico for another summer. Another friend of mine, today, repeatedly goes to archaeological digs in Cyprus, all paid for by the school. Dig, beach, dig, beach, dig, take pictures, dig, take a road trip with your fellow diggers to ruins and take pictures, dig.

    Ooh, college is soooooo tough. Ooooh, college is soooo expensive. The only ones who are saying that are the PARENTS who CHOOSE to send their kids to school in their own HOUSE with a brand new HONDA ACCORD with ONSTAR so they won't get lost when they're DRIVING HOME DRUNK at 2am every night.
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    Doh. Tuition costs $940/credit at grad school here. I wonder if any grad students here actually pay tuition. $90/credit sounds pretty cheap though. If you could live out of your parents house while taking classes and working part time, I'd say things look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sordavie View Post
    Doh. Tuition costs $940/credit at grad school here. I wonder if any grad students here actually pay tuition. $90/credit sounds pretty cheap though. If you could live out of your parents house while taking classes and working part time, I'd say things look good.
    Out-of-state tuition, perhaps? I completely ignored that side of the payment schedule for my entire eight years of school. Fill out a paper, get a driver's licence, prove you had an appartment and a job for a year, boom, $940 goes to $94.

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    There it is. $2,296 for 7 credits or more undergrad, $2,965 for graduate. Wierd fee schedule, they don't differentiate from half-time and full-time, and they kinda punish you for beeing a weenie and taking a 1-credit dance class.

    As long as the college degree is ACCREDITED, it fits the standard for that subject. It means university boards see they're effectively teaching that specific subject. My $52-$65/credit at UNLV helped me get a 77 on the subject GRE of computer science. That means I beat 77% of others who took the test that year, applying for master's or PhD studies that year. I remember my faults then were databases and networking, I definately got zeros on these questions. It's not the school, it's your attitude!

    Oh ya, there are "accredited" degree programs which are completely worthless in life. At the time I was at ASU, 1999-2003, they had a thriving witchcraft program. I loved talking with those girls, I soaked up just enough about tarot and humors to hold a really good conversation. They always wore these full-arms- and leg-length clothes which appeared conservative, usually black of course, kinda baggy, but also usually middriff or some other thing which, they bent over just a bit, showing ALL their CHARMS. Oh ya, spark of emotion, budding emotion, that's what card? TWO of CUPS? Ya, I get it. Ah, epitomy of ideas or trouble, double-edged, thrusting, ACE of SWORDS? Ya, okay, what else? ... I wonder who hired those girls, after they got that on their resume...
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    Private school tuition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shroompicker View Post
    All of which keep you in serious debt until you're 60.

    Except for one "financing program", called a part-time job.
    I think that you were the one that first mentioned Dave Ramsey to me in my "investing in gold" thread. Well, since then, he has been picked up by a Dallas radio station and I've been listening to him for about an hour every day for the last month or so. His ideas are going to change my life. Thanks for pointing me in his direction.

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    You can also have the military help pay for your college education as well by joining the AF/A/NROTC. You do end up owing whichever branch 4-8 years of service after you finish school. It's also not just undergrad they pay for either. If qualified and accepted you can attend grad, law or med school all paid for by the service. You not only get a free education but you also get job secruity immediately out of college as well as a commission as an officer. It's certainly not for everyone but personally, I think its worth a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CingularDuality View Post
    Thanks for pointing me in his direction.
    No prob. Actually, I did a lot of his stuff way before I started listening to him, in a way. I never believed in loans I didn't need. Ten years later I'm thankful for that, now that I'm barely eeking by as a programmer, and I still own a 2400 sqft house and am still not borrowing nor dipping into savings. People making way more than me look at me like I'm wierd, wondering how we get by (though the wife helps!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebleakaffinity View Post
    This thread has definitely been motivational for myself as an eighteen year old college bound slacker. Definitely need to get off my ass and get out there so as not to be stuck in the same situation as Yer Mom. Teaching will probably be the profession I settle into, it's one of few "job" type careers I could live with.
    Be prepared to move to Arizona. Friend of mine has a degree in education. For every job opening up here, there are 500+ applications. But Arizona is chomping at the bit for good teachers.
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