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08-07-2006, 07:17 PM #16
Re: Electrical Geniuses Read...
Invitations into discussion is the entire point of this thread. Not invitations to not be taken seriously. There are flaws, and holes, but the design in my head works out. When you refer to perpetual force/motion, you're on a different battle ground. You are talking about never-ending force/motion, where I am referring to REGENERATIVE force/motion.
Pepertual force in its entirety is based off the idea that once started, it will never stop. This isn't my point, at all.
Imagine a battery. The battery loses its charge after so long, but can be recharged on a connection to the wall, or etc. So, we take that basic idea, and we formulate an idea that creates an energy source by itself to recharge the battery. Friction isn't a factor, because we are working with friction. Wind resistance isn't a factor, because that goes into the car itself and not the system I am referring to.
You have a rod. Just like a basic generator, with copper wire and metal and the lot of it.
You have a car, with a tank of gas. You start the car, back out into the road, and start going down the road. After 2 miles your car has created enough energy to be stored into a capacitor. The capacitor itself discharges the electricity which pushes the car. You would have to have a mechanism that used the electricity to push the car, but electric motors are seen every day inside toy cars.
While the electricity is discharged from the capacitors into the electric motor, the generators placed on the rod of the car replenish the capacitors in order to further produce a discharge.
Anyone who has taken basic electronics knows what a capacitor is and what it does. They also know what a generator is, and what it does. I'm just combining the two. I understand that generators are on a HUGE scale when it comes to creating large amounts of electricity, but I'm not looking to totally fuel the car off of it, I'm looking to lessen our dependance on fuels. Lessen the destruction we're causing to our atmosphere.
Okay, one more time.
----------------------------- rod
O generator
U capacitr
... wire
--o------------o-- .... U then comes the electric motor. The rod will be the axle of the car. The o's are the generators, positioned near the wheel. The u will connect to the capacitor. The capacitor will fire into the electric motor at certain intervals to serve as a continuator, I suppose I should say.
Say pushing the gas peddal to sustain a speed of 60 miles an hour consumes a gallon of gas every 30 miles. With this design in place, we could lessen that consumption. Assume that the electricity from the discharging capacitors fire enough force into the secondary motors to lessen that usage to half a gallon of gas per 30 miles at 60 miles an hour.
Take that and combine it with today's ethenol, and H20 and etc, powered cars, and we have a clean environment with no Co2 production from our automobiles, plus we use LESS of the fuel we can create, meaning LESS polution and waste coming from factories and plants creating these fuels.
If all else fails, we lessen the consumption of fossil fuel in the United States at large, simply by attatching a circuit system to the car, and adding a few electric motors. We may never see a car run solely on electricity that never has to be recharged, but that's not what I'm looking to produce here. I'm looking to combine this with the usage of other fuels to lessen our production/usage.
PS: I got touchy because people made this out to be a joke before they took the time to take it seriously. I'm honestly getting tired of seeing that here in TG, and to put it quite bluntly, I believe that no one is doing anything to stop it. If we have restrictions on our language to change the way we act in our servers so that we may be more mature about the way we play, we may even have to go to rules for our actions so that we act more mature about the way we treat others. Before you shoot someone's idea down with the assumption they are joking, or they don't know what they're talking about, concider that you may have misunderstood their meaning, or they have written things out wrong and mislead your thought.
I was very offended by the lack of seriousness this thread brought back from its replies. And, I don't want to see it again in any of the threads I begin.
-Mom
Edit - I'm not looking for effeciency. I'm looking to lessen the amount of fossil fuels and etc that we consume by using this product. Instead of thinking of it as the gas that comes out of the pump, think of it as the spark plug that causes the combustion. You change your spark plugs enough, you get better fuel mileage. I'm combining two fuels to create one to lessen the usage of the first. Get it?
And on a side note, I don't know much about cars. I don't even know everything about component side electricity, but I know the basics, and that's all I'm looking to work with. I am asking TG for help mainly to further TG. If this idea were to be put to productorial use, I wouldn't label it with my name, I would label it with ours. TG is a family, regardless of what some people think, and what a family comes up with, a family gets credit for.Yer Mom /O>
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08-07-2006, 07:53 PM #17
Re: Electrical Geniuses Read...
Sounds exactly like a hybrid car. Except a few things, as most hybrids use batteries for main storage instead of capacitors. A notable exception is a certian modified Delorean.
In your system, the axel would have to work hard against the magnetic field creating the current you store in the capacitor. This among a myriad of other things, would make this a tough system to implement for trying to save gas while accelerating and coasting. However, it is very similar to the regenerative braking technology used in the Prius (and Civic). In that system, when the brakes are applied, an electrical sytem similar to yours located on the wheel axels and drive train is 'turned on'. The magnetic field in this system is used to slow the car down, and the current generated is ferreted back into the battery system (they may use capacitors, I dunno).
Having taken some graduate level E&M courses (eff-you JACKSON), I can totally relate to being confused about advanced electrical and magnetic theorey. A lot of it seems like it should be common sense, but common sense doens't solve the majority of applied E&M problems (which is probably why I almost failed
). I think Newton said it best when he said, "For every force, there is an equal and opposite force."
However, your question would probably get more informed responses from PhysicsForums.com than from the lot of us here at TG
. The majority of folks over at PF are very nice and not at all condescending when working through and explaining applied physics. Just make a post, explain to them them your experience/background and curious minds will tackle even the toughest of problems. And they'll make sure you know how they did it
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08-08-2006, 02:06 PM #18
Re: Electrical Geniuses Read...
Regardless of the efficiency, how would you target something? You'd have to charge the target to differentiate it from everything else and the ground.
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08-08-2006, 02:34 PM #19
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Make your own target/projectile and zap it when it gets to or is on your desired target.
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08-08-2006, 02:47 PM #20
Re: Electrical Geniuses Read...
Right, but then we go back to efficiency. That sounds like an expensive bullet.
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08-08-2006, 03:15 PM #21
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Targeting would be easy. There was a group of Students from MIT to made a Airsoft Sentry gun that used 2 webcams and a P90 airsoft gun. The Webcams could scan the image and compare it to its database of people the camera was supposed to recognize. If it dint recognize you, you got lit up.
that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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08-08-2006, 03:45 PM #22
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08-08-2006, 03:57 PM #23
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or just soak it in water laced with iron. Yeah but getting that negative charge on the object would be your next opstical
that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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08-08-2006, 04:16 PM #24
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A friend of mine was working on a similar project for the navy labs about 15 years ago. The idea was to fire a projectile through the plasma channel created by an artificial lightening bolt between the source and the target. The plasma channel is almost a vacuum, and so projectiles could have velocities that otherwise would burn them up. Good for hitting fast movers (missiles coming at a ship) and excellent armor piercing capabilities. Unfortunately the generators for each weapon took up a decent sized building.
But it can be done. It has been done. It just wasn't practical to deploy to the field 15 years ago as far as anyone told the summer intern.
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08-08-2006, 04:27 PM #25
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Super soaker from hell..
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08-12-2006, 04:26 PM #26
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Yer Mom...
You're 19. You started the I Need a Job thread, where we encouraged you to get an education.
Most of the people here you're talking to are over 22, and post-trade-school, post-bachelors or post-masters. We could express the paragraphs you said in your original post like this:
"Wankel Rotary Engine coupled with Electrical Generator and Battery Powered Engine with a high-gain electrical relay." And we say it without blinking. Someone else said "hybrid car", and that's what you described, a double-engine which switches from gasoline to electric, and it's tweaked to switch over, whichever is more efficient, with a control system.
So basically, you're speaking like a n00b electrical power guy. We know you WANT to be a non-n00b electrical power guy.
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08-13-2006, 01:06 AM #27
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Actually I was thinking about this thread the other day. The thought process YerMOM went through when making it was exactly the type of stuff I would think about before I went to college. I got a degree (only an associates) and ended up in Research and Development. I actually enjoy my job and don't dread going to work in the mornings. This is even after 13 years in the field.
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08-13-2006, 04:23 AM #28
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R&D in Arizona perhaps? Where do you find R&D jobs?
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08-13-2006, 04:41 AM #29
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In TN the Oak Ridge are used to be pretty happening but is slowing down lately.
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