MLB Postseason

**aculle01** · 10-04-2006 09:19 PM

With no Bosox and the Phillies (adopted a rooting interest going to school outside of philly and attended many games) just missing out...again I am going to have go with the West Coast version of the 2003 Red Sox the LA Dodgers. Though if my leave is signed off I will be in San Diego on the 18th through the 24 so if the Padres can make it through I just might be tempted to throw down a bit of cash for some tickets.

I dont think baseball necessarily needs a salary cap they already have revenue sharing. The Yankees haven't won the world series since 2000. The Red Sox, 2nd biggest salary, didnt even make the playoffs this year. It isn't always about the money. The Salary cap works in the other leagues because they do not have farm systems that can support themselves while developing prospects like MLB does so the richest teams could just stock pile proven talent. Money may cause some problems but why level the playing field just because a team can't form a half decent Front Office. The Yankees haven't even won the World Series since 2000. The Yankee teams of the late 90's weren't built the same as they have been in the past 5 years. The Yankees of the 90's had a strong nucleus of players that came up through their farm system. Look at the Florida Marlins; they competed until the last couple of weeks this year with a team full of unproven rookies. Money Ball by Michael Lewis highlights how a team can achieve success without having the same bankroll as the large market teams.

A Salary cap in theory allows the game to be decided on the playing field but a team still need a competent front office to manage the cap and make quality personnel decisions so the game once again is determined both on the field and in the board room. I like the game the way it is.

**Spyder** · 10-04-2006 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by whistler's mother

What, no Twins fans?

After losing the first two games at home, with our best two starters, I'd say it's over for the Twins.

Of course, there is always the chance the A's pull a massive tank job (which they are becoming slightly famous for)

**Pokerface** · 10-04-2006 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by aculle01

I dont think baseball necessarily needs a salary cap they already have revenue sharing. The Yankees haven't won the world series since 2000. The Red Sox, 2nd biggest salary, didnt even make the playoffs this year. It isn't always about the money. The Salary cap works in the other leagues because they do not have farm systems that can support themselves while developing prospects like MLB does so the richest teams could just stock pile proven talent. Money may cause some problems but why level the playing field just because a team can't form a half decent Front Office. The Yankees haven't even won the World Series since 2000. The Yankee teams of the late 90's weren't built the same as they have been in the past 5 years. The Yankees of the 90's had a strong nucleus of players that came up through their farm system. Look at the Florida Marlins; they competed until the last couple of weeks this year with a team full of unproven rookies. Money Ball by Michael Lewis highlights how a team can achieve success without having the same bankroll as the large market teams.

A Salary cap in theory allows the game to be decided on the playing field but a team still need a competent front office to manage the cap and make quality personnel decisions so the game once again is determined both on the field and in the board room. I like the game the way it is.

Revenue sharing only works to keep smaller-market teams afloat. It does nothing to actually foster a level playing field. Teams like the Marlins make for nice cinderella stories, but they're by far the exception.

Over a third of the Majors haven't been to the postseason this century. Of the eight teams in this year's postseason, six have appeared in the previous four years at least once (for the Mets you only need to go back to 2000, Detroit stretches back to 1987).

Compare that to the NFL, where there are only four teams -- the Saints, the Texans, the Bills, and the Lions -- who have not appeared in postseason game later than 2002.

Quality moves are easy when you've got gazillions of dollars; that's not "winning the game in the board room", that's rigging the game.

**aculle01** · 10-05-2006 12:37 AM

Well run organizations will find a way to win. The Athletics and Twins annually compete in the playoffs and they were ranked 28th and 29th respectively out the 30 teams in overall team value by Forbes (The Royals are 27th). Yet they win a lot more than the Royals. The Cubs have the 6th largest revenue and they stink. The Dodgers are 4th but have Grady Little (might be an inappropiate dig for the 2003 playoffs) as their manager so they don't have a chance at winning the World Series. There is more than just money needed to win a championship. If that were true the yankees would win every year. Since 2000 5 different teams have won the World Series.

Look at the NFL, the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Eagles and Broncos have all been to the playoffs 4 out of the past 5 years. They are obviously doing something right if on a "level" playing field they all return to playoffs. In a league based on parity, these perennial contenders must be doing something different than everyone else. That leaves excellent front offices and excellent coaching. Now, baseball doesnt necessarily require an excellent manager for a team to succeed, just a manager who doesnt make bad decisions. In baseball you have three choices buy your players, groom your players or do a bit of both. Anyone can do this but it requires finding the right players, not finding the wrong manager, and spending money wisely. Money isn't everything. Sure it might make it easier but it doesn't win championships. Ask the yankees, they have tried.

**B. Clawhammer** · 10-05-2006 12:42 AM

@Spyder. Yeah they do have a history of coughing up leads. But not this year, I feel it in my bones!! lol

**Steel_Penguin** · 10-05-2006 01:14 AM

Am i the only yankee fan here?

**Melee** · 10-05-2006 02:15 AM

Go Padres! It's do or die tomorrow...and I'm going!

**DrunkenSoul** · 10-05-2006 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Steel_Penguin

Am i the only yankee fan here?

Of course not

**Pokerface** · 10-05-2006 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by aculle01

Well run organizations will find a way to win. The Athletics and Twins annually compete in the playoffs and they were ranked 28th and 29th respectively out the 30 teams in overall team value by Forbes (The Royals are 27th). Yet they win a lot more than the Royals. The Cubs have the 6th largest revenue and they stink. The Dodgers are 4th but have Grady Little (might be an inappropiate dig for the 2003 playoffs) as their manager so they don't have a chance at winning the World Series. There is more than just money needed to win a championship. If that were true the yankees would win every year. Since 2000 5 different teams have won the World Series.

Look at the NFL, the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Eagles and Broncos have all been to the playoffs 4 out of the past 5 years. They are obviously doing something right if on a "level" playing field they all return to playoffs. In a league based on parity, these perennial contenders must be doing something different than everyone else. That leaves excellent front offices and excellent coaching. Now, baseball doesnt necessarily require an excellent manager for a team to succeed, just a manager who doesnt make bad decisions. In baseball you have three choices buy your players, groom your players or do a bit of both. Anyone can do this but it requires finding the right players, not finding the wrong manager, and spending money wisely. Money isn't everything. Sure it might make it easier but it doesn't win championships. Ask the yankees, they have tried.

My point isn't about winning. Winning is fickle.

My point is about competing. With a cap system, mismanagement is the only way to win or lose. With no cap, money matters too, and mismanagement is far easier when your team is made of of rookies and also-rans. If you're grooming a great player in Kansas City, how much would you bet that player would be around to BE great in KC before he got snapped up by another team who could pay (or overpay) his actual value?

You're right in saying that money isn't everything. But right now in the Majors, it's about 80% of the 'thing', if not more. Great managers can only take mediocre players so far, and once a great manager makes the mediocre great, the team can't afford to hold on to that player anymore.

**Steel_Penguin** · 10-05-2006 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by DrunkenSoul

Of course not

Thank god i thought this was gonna turn ocmpletely into a "OMGZ Y3NK335 R OV3RP0W3R3D PLS N3RF" thread. Now it can become an "everyone hates A-Rod thread"

.

btw I apologize if the leet speak causes anyone brain dmg.

**WhiskeySix** · 10-05-2006 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Steel_Penguin

Thank god i thought this was gonna turn ocmpletely into a "OMGZ Y3NK335 R OV3RP0W3R3D PLS N3RF" thread. Now it can become an "everyone hates A-Rod thread"

.

btw I apologize if the leet speak causes anyone brain dmg.

**Trooper** · 10-05-2006 04:33 PM

Tigers baby....they have 2 games at home now...i think the Yankees just lost the series

**B. Clawhammer** · 10-05-2006 05:04 PM

Wow go Detroit. I think you're right trooper!!

**dfg872** · 10-05-2006 05:19 PM

Bah, yankees suck. I'm a mets fan, and I think it will be fun if we get another subway seires.

**whistler** · 10-06-2006 01:31 AM

The Twins will be starting Radke for the 3rd game today.... Dunno if this will be a good thing or the nail in the coffin, but I wouldn't count out the Twins just yet.

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