Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson - Page 2

TheFatKidDeath · 05-27-2007, 01:26 PM

Yeah, what a knockout. Wondering when a re-match will happen, if at all.

Though Rampage can be beat, Wanderlei Silva proved that -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJsn4...elated&search=

Bommando · 05-27-2007, 02:57 PM

I would have liked to see the Main Event go for longer.

I have to say, the Alexander vs. Jardine fight was one of the best quick finishes I've seen. Shows what happens when you underestimate your opponent. It also shows how important it is to stay standing for at least a round in these close match-ups. You see a lot of tired fighters fail to capitalise on big hits when they are breathing heavy. Not so in the first round. One good connection with enough energy for a follow-up spells the end. Both Alexander and Rampage proved that.

What I hate about UFC is the way it's headed towards the lame smack-talk garbage they have in boxing and WWF. These guys aren't actors, they're fighters. They should shut their freaking mouths and let their fists do the talking. This is what worries me about the Pride merger. I'm afraid that the far superior Pride comp will be all Hollywooded by the UFC. I had to mute some of those retards and their ghetto smack talk. Karo Parisyan and his stupid Judo song. FFS, just say GG and get out of the ring.

There's one good thing about all the merger. Hopefully we'll get to see Fedor wipe the smiles off their smug faces soon.

icky · 05-27-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bommando

Karo Parisyan and his stupid Judo song.

Haha! He was doing a Borat imitation, but I don't think ANYONE got it (except me

). I don't have a problem with them making noise and talking it up as long as that is their actual personality. If they are forcing it, then I agree that it is really lame.

**TheFeniX** · 05-29-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by icky

Twice.

Yea, I honestly didn't see that coming so soon. I figured Jackson would have his shot at a knock-out later on in the round/fight after Liddell had become comfortable in the ring. I just didn't see Chuck getting that comfortable early on.

Watching the fight again (God I love DVRs), Chuck played right into Jackson's hand. Rather than counter-punching, he waded right in, got a good body shot, and didn't even see Jackson's counter right hook.

Oh well, now it's time to see if Liddell retires (doubtful) or comes back on the warpath to get his title back.

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Originally Posted by Bommando

What I hate about UFC is the way it's headed towards the lame smack-talk garbage they have in boxing and WWF. These guys aren't actors, they're fighters. They should shut their freaking mouths and let their fists do the talking. This is what worries me about the Pride merger. I'm afraid that the far superior Pride comp will be all Hollywooded by the UFC. I had to mute some of those retards and their ghetto smack talk. Karo Parisyan and his stupid Judo song. FFS, just say GG and get out of the ring.

I've heard this for so long (not just here) and I honestly don't see where it's coming from. Exactly what sports organization doesn't have it's athletes talking smack and building hype? I would say football if only because the fans do all the smack-talking. Go into a Houston bar on game night rooting for the Dallas Cowboys and it might just turn into Amateur MMA night.

But I can say that this derision does have it's good side: people actually care about it. Some no-name baseball player runs his mouth, it's "who cares." I guess that counts for something.

**Gambit7** · 05-30-2007, 01:54 PM

Those who follow MMA properly (myself included, though not as much lately) know without a doubt that UFC is really a joke compared to the rest of the world as it relates to MMA. (notably, Pride)

UFC = american rednecks who think they're studs because they train for a bit on how to ground and pound someone inside a cage. Also, the rules are "care-bear" compared to other factions. This is why you NOW see a merger going on because honestly UFC cant survive in its current/past format.

I was one of the ones who thought w/o a doubt that Rampage would destroy Liddell (as did most of my knowledgeable MMA brethren), simply because of the mere fact that Rampage is a product of Pride - and he did well there. He lives and trains in Japan with the REAL best fighters in the world and is deceptively intelligent (yes, he speaks japanese and has a japanese wife), granted so is Chuck. Liddell is/was not on the same level as some of Rampage's competition. Sorry... sad, but true. Rampage's ground game also is better then Liddell's, but for some reason you didnt hear much about it... this goes for submissions as well. Coupled with his superior brawling skills (rampage), Liddell just didnt match up well with him. Only way I thought Liddell could win is with a Lucky kick to the head, upon which if Rampage was still standing would promptly take chuck to the ground afterwards.

Anyways, look for Pride to take over UFC... which they should (note Dan Henderson at the post-fight). As well, hopefully you'll see more Pancrase, Judo, and kickboxing guys involved... as well as the TRUE world-class martial artists who spend their lives perfecting their art. (the ones that choose not to take part in UFC)

Lastly, notice how Rampage was booed (as are most of the African American MMA-ers at UFC). Yet, in Japan Rampage is treated as a god. tisk tisk tisk. What a young sport. At least they're finally focusing on Las Vegas instead of the backwood bayous they used to have UFC at. Marketing needs serious improvement though, because honestly you really dont get a good background on the fighters. As well, people need a better education on what actually is going on in a fight. I like Joe Rogan a lot, but perhaps he needs a better partner.

**TheFeniX** · 05-30-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambit7

Those who follow MMA properly (myself included, though not as much lately) know without a doubt that UFC is really a joke compared to the rest of the world as it relates to MMA. (notably, Pride)

If you say so...

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UFC = american rednecks who think they're studs because they train for a bit on how to ground and pound someone inside a cage.

Yea, because when I hear guys like Matt Serra talk, I think "redneck." Anything else you feel like pigeonholing today?

It's not like Rampage is from some redneck state like Tennessee or anything, right?

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Also, the rules are "care-bear" compared to other factions. This is why you NOW see a merger going on because honestly UFC cant survive in its current/past format.

Which is why UFC fights are selling out non-stop.... I mean, their rule-set couldn't have anything to do with hoping to gain acceptance in other states in the continental US.

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I was one of the ones who thought w/o a doubt that Rampage would destroy Liddell (as did most of my knowledgeable MMA brethren), simply because of the mere fact that Rampage is a product of Pride - and he did well there.

Yea, that's the same reason Mirko Cro Cop destroyed Gabriel Gonzaga.... oh wait....

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I had considered responding to this, but it's already set to degenerate into something as useless as arguing about Football teams. We're reaching dangerous levels of machismo in this thread.

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I like Joe Rogan a lot, but perhaps he needs a better partner.

This is one thing I agree with you on: Mike "Meteoric" Goldberg needs some new material.

**Gambit7** · 05-30-2007, 04:14 PM

(cracks knuckles)
Firstly, I take UFC, pride, and MMA in general as a "whole" in my arguments.. not just notable fights here and there.
You cant HONESTLY think UFC has better fighters then other orgs. like Pride can you? Cmon now. Most UFC fighters (of the past moreso then now) have barely a few years experience in martial arts in general. I look at it as an MMA "power vacuum" so to speak, where any joblow can test his mettle.
Granted, times are a-changin, like I said. Which is why UFC is enjoying more success now.

And my generalization of UFC being "redneck," was meant to be more humorous than factual. But, the fact remains that UFC's roots come from that genre. Remember the days of the Confed. flag flying inside the arena?? How many lumberjack shirts does one need to see on ppv before making this assumption? And where the fighters are concerned, of course... moreso in the past, MOST of them were American. It's not like UFC was a bastion of intl competition. (laugh)

And as far as filling arenas is concerned, UFC arenas are usually small and intimate affairs. Your typical MGM-grand type 10-15,000 people. Whereas in Japan they hold MMA in STADIUMS and large indoor arenas that hold twice as many people.

As for the ruleset?? (giggle) You honestly think Americans wouldnt like the Pride ruleset more then UFC? cmon now. The only benefit the UFC ruleset has is it's more inclined to protect the fighters, as well.. the refs seem to be quicker on the draw in stopping fights. The fouls-list in UFC is like 3 times as long as Pride. The fights in UFC are much shorter (1st round in pride is 10 mins instead of UFC's 5 mins), enabling a lesser fighter to sneak away with victories or get saved by the bell.

Point is, UFC will succeed because they're becoming more worldly instead of just secular. This is some of what Joe Rogan gets all moist about, because even he himself would share some of my prior notions (how many times has he said Pride fighters are better? a lot). This whole Vegas and Hard Rock thing is completely new for UFC and they were smart for moving to more neutral venues instead of holding fights at the local "Y" in Tuscaloosa, Alabama like they used to. Heck, they're goin to Belfast in a few weeks.

Anyways, I'm excited where MMA is going these days. Almost to the point where I'm tempted to hit the gym myself. A Gracie camp is down the road from me (my friend trains and hangs with them) and American Top Team is about 15 mins away (the "Coconut Creek" fighters). My cousin used to train with Sean Sherk.

**Lorax74** · 05-30-2007, 04:20 PM

I missed the fight due to other obligations, but I look forward to renting it soon...

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Originally Posted by Gambit7

At least they're finally focusing on Las Vegas instead of the backwood bayous they used to have UFC at.

Never knew New Jersey was considered "backwood bayou"...

**TheFeniX** · 05-30-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambit7

(cracks knuckles)
Firstly, I take UFC, pride, and MMA in general as a "whole" in my arguments.. not just notable fights here and there.
You cant HONESTLY think UFC has better fighters then other orgs. like Pride can you? Cmon now. Most UFC fighters (of the past moreso then now) have barely a few years experience in martial arts in general. I look at it as an MMA "power vacuum" so to speak, where any joblow can test his mettle.
Granted, times are a-changin, like I said. Which is why UFC is enjoying more success now.

I personally don't care which organization has better fighters. I watch MMA for the both the fun and the technique. Arguments along your lines are as useful to me as AFL vs NFL or Ford vs Chevy.

Who cares?

What got me involved is the way in which you decided to "prove" your point. Claiming the UFC is full of rednecks and their skill is nothing compared to outfits like Pride.

Rampage beat the Iceman: Gonzaga beat Cro Cop. Whooped-di-do. I was actually more annoyed by Cro Cop's loss than Liddell's. I found you argument along the lines of: Pride is great because of purple monkey dishwasher.

Even I could be bothered to dig up a list of things I like more about Pride than UFC. But our lists would vary widely. You may not have meant to, but you came off as another random guy who loves to argue about how the NFL is better than football (soccer) because Emmitt Smith once ran 100 yard for a touch-down. The argument just doesn't add up.

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And my generalization of UFC being "redneck," was meant to be more humorous than factual. But, the fact remains that UFC's roots come from that genre. Remember the days of the Confed. flag flying inside the arena?? How many lumberjack shirts does one need to see on ppv before making this assumption? And where the fighters are concerned, of course... moreso in the past, MOST of them were American. It's not like UFC was a bastion of intl competition. (laugh)

I remember a BJJ black-belt running a train at the first UFC. The only "true" redneck I can think of off-hand that's gained massive popularity has been Matt Hughes. He didn't get that popularity because he played Hank Williams before a fight.

The older UFC stuff was a joke mostly due to the goons running the show. I generally don't even enjoy discussing the time before White started running the UFC.

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And as far as filling arenas is concerned, UFC arenas are usually small and intimate affairs. Your typical MGM-grand type 10-15,000 people. Whereas in Japan they hold MMA in STADIUMS and large indoor arenas that hold twice as many people.

And this has what to do with the argument that the UFC is dwindling? Add more seats in UFC and you will sell more.

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As for the ruleset?? (giggle) You honestly think Americans wouldnt like the Pride ruleset more then UFC? cmon now. The only benefit the UFC ruleset has is it's more inclined to protect the fighters, as well.. the refs seem to be quicker on the draw in stopping fights.

You think Gaming Commissions care about what the average MMA fan wants to see? If Texas says "your sport is too violent to host in our state" then that's money lost. Fans bring in the money, but only if there's a venue for them to spend it in. Hell, UFC even got dropped off PPV for a good-while. I think it took Dana White to get them back on. So, what did UFC fans have? DVD releases and 2 venues? I'm amazed the sport survived that.

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The fouls-list in UFC is like 3 times as long as Pride. The fights in UFC are much shorter (1st round in pride is 10 mins instead of UFC's 5 mins), enabling a lesser fighter to sneak away with victories or get saved by the bell.

And this has what to do with UFC rules needing to be stricter than Pride?

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Point is, UFC will succeed because they're becoming more worldly instead of just secular. This is some of what Joe Rogan gets all moist about, because even he himself would share some of my prior notions (how many times has he said Pride fighters are better? a lot). This whole Vegas and Hard Rock thing is completely new for UFC and they were smart for moving to more neutral venues instead of holding fights at the local "Y" in Tuscaloosa, Alabama like they used to. Heck, they're goin to Belfast in a few weeks.

Thank Dana White. You act like I think bringing in new talent and expanding the UFC is a bad thing. Hell, they hosted a UFC in my home town a few months ago. That's great.

But you're arguing a double standard: UFC needs less rules and they need to expand. UFC can not expand if they get banned in most states due to a lack of rules.

America isn't Japan. Of course they can get away with more.

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Anyways, I'm excited where MMA is going these days. Almost to the point where I'm tempted to hit the gym myself. A Gracie camp is down the road from me (my friend trains and hangs with them) and American Top Team is about 15 mins away (the "Coconut Creek" fighters). My cousin used to train with Sean Sherk.

MMA is a relatively new industry. After 15 years, it well ahead of most other professional sports in that same time. UFC is stil growing and is doing well even after the stagnation it had in it's early years. Dana White isn't shying away from cross-pollination of fighters for some of the reason's you specify. He just doesn't seem to think it's a joke.

Dana knew Rampage had a good shot at taking down Liddell. Did he make any attempt to protect his Golden Boy? Hell no, the man wants to sell tickets.

VoodooGTS · 05-30-2007, 06:27 PM

that fight sucked. ended to fast. lol

check out this fight againt rampage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1myemHJYic

Hambergler · 05-30-2007, 08:33 PM

Pride vs UFC who cares. They all get to fight each other so time will tell. I rather see it in a cage myself.

Parisyan Berkman was the best fight of the night for me. Although I thought he made a mistake calling out Dana White like that; no way can he match up to Matt Hughes. I'm sorry, but Serra is dead in the water.
I also enjoyed the Houston Alexander fight, but I won't call it an MMA fight. I have seen that same tactic in a high school cafeteria. I am anticipating his next fight to see if he has any skill to go along with that anger. And Rashad Evans gets to prove once again that TV fighters can't stand up against real fighters. I love seeing those guys take a beating. Hehehe
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=even...htCard&eid=677

**Gambit7** · 05-30-2007, 09:13 PM

well.. this IS a Chuck vs. Rampage thread.. so it's safe to assume we're going to debate some stuff eh? I mean, that's what this dang thread is for. And, naturally, in this debate will be a pride vs. ufc debate - so what? Close the thread if you dont want to hear it.

And w/o these arguments UFC would probably be the same as it was when it began. Dana knows which direction to go due to arguments such as this.

As for the cage, it has its merits. But, it does obscure the view from much of the crowd and I do wish it were larger. Roped rings have the benefit of a simulated larger environment, since the fights are reset more often and it's harder to use them to your advantage. The cage just always seems to be too much of a factor. As well, most training is done in a roped ring and most gyms and arenas are roped.

My fav. fight was also the Parisyan fight because I like the Judo and it just was a more skilled-looking fight all around.

Anyways, I look forward to the next UFC. more more more

icky · 05-30-2007, 10:06 PM

If you want an actual debate, then you need to review your technique. Opening your argument by calling everyone else lesser MMA fans who should know that the UFC is a joke is the way you start a pissing contest, not a debate.

If you think the UFC is at the bottom of the MMA totem pole, then you have surely never seen anything aside from Pride and UFC. I agree that Pride was an excellent organization and that there were many talented fighters fighting in their shows. I enjoyed Pride shows more than any other MMA competition. But I have enjoyed many of the UFC fights nonetheless, and I don't think you can broadly paint the UFC fighters as inferior.

But alas, now the UFC is the only quality MMA organization. We can look forward to some GREAT battles for supremacy at 205 and 185. Liddell has his hands full with two MONSTERS sitting between him and that title.

I will miss the tournaments if they never become part of the UFC, but I won't miss the rope ring.

**TheFeniX** · 05-31-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambit7

well.. this IS a Chuck vs. Rampage thread.. so it's safe to assume we're going to debate some stuff eh? I mean, that's what this dang thread is for. And, naturally, in this debate will be a pride vs. ufc debate - so what? Close the thread if you dont want to hear it.

What organization you fight for really doesn't affect your skill level. The change can get you a bit at first, but it's more who and what you train with rather than where you happen to have your fights.

I don't see the point in arguing "UFC fighters are better than Pride fighters" because neither option is true. Pride fighters in general are not going to steam-roll through UFC fighters or vice versa. Each fighter comes in on their own merits, not the merits of where they actually fight at.

I rewatched the Jackson/Liddell fight last night. Chuck was beat fair and square, but exactly where was the skill gap? Chuck threw a punch and got caught with a good right hand before he got out of the pocket.

Contrasted to Couture's complete domination of Sylvia. Everytime Tim thought Randy was going to shoot, Randy threw punches. Everytime Tim thought Randy was going to stand, Randy got a take-down. It was a classic match of one fighter being outclassed. I didn't see that in Rampage's game.

I'm not down-playing Rampage's victory. I was just hoping for more.

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Originally Posted by icky

If you think the UFC is at the bottom of the MMA totem pole, then you have surely never seen anything aside from Pride and UFC. I agree that Pride was an excellent organization and that there were many talented fighters fighting in their shows. I enjoyed Pride shows more than any other MMA competition. But I have enjoyed many of the UFC fights nonetheless, and I don't think you can broadly paint the UFC fighters as inferior.

But alas, now the UFC is the only quality MMA organization. We can look forward to some GREAT battles for supremacy at 205 and 185. Liddell has his hands full with two MONSTERS sitting between him and that title.

I will miss the tournaments if they never become part of the UFC, but I won't miss the rope ring.

Even before UFC bought Pride: MMA fighters wanted to compete in the UFC because it's where the money and fame is at. It's called the "Superbowl of MMA" for a reason. Sure, there are guys who are in this for just the skill involved, but 6 figure contracts sweeten the deal.

Some fighters may leave UFC over contract disputes, but UFC is drawing MMA fighters to America on it's own merits. Fighters want to compete here and that's great. I still find a huge skill gap among certain fighters and new (yet, experienced) blood will help resolve that.

Anyways, I think the best thing Dana ever did was bring UFC to Spike. I'll bet other networks are spitting teeth at all the money they passed up.

Oh and one last thing: UFC 73, Ortiz vs Evans. I'm betting on someone losing their perfect record that night.

icky · 05-31-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I'm not down-playing Rampage's victory. I was just hoping for more.

Isn't that always the case in heavily hyped match-ups?

05-27-2007, 01:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
TheFatKidDeath Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Santa Monica, CA Age: 39 Posts: 2,705	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson Yeah, what a knockout. Wondering when a re-match will happen, if at all. Though Rampage can be beat, Wanderlei Silva proved that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJsn4...elated&search= __________________ \|TG-9th\| TheFatKidDeath "Born to Party, Forced to Work." http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55640 - Check me out on The Onion http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...ssfully_avoids - I'm on the local news!

05-27-2007, 02:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bommando Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 30 Posts: 4,294	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson I would have liked to see the Main Event go for longer. I have to say, the Alexander vs. Jardine fight was one of the best quick finishes I've seen. Shows what happens when you underestimate your opponent. It also shows how important it is to stay standing for at least a round in these close match-ups. You see a lot of tired fighters fail to capitalise on big hits when they are breathing heavy. Not so in the first round. One good connection with enough energy for a follow-up spells the end. Both Alexander and Rampage proved that. What I hate about UFC is the way it's headed towards the lame smack-talk garbage they have in boxing and WWF. These guys aren't actors, they're fighters. They should shut their freaking mouths and let their fists do the talking. This is what worries me about the Pride merger. I'm afraid that the far superior Pride comp will be all Hollywooded by the UFC. I had to mute some of those retards and their ghetto smack talk. Karo Parisyan and his stupid Judo song. FFS, just say GG and get out of the ring. There's one good thing about all the merger. Hopefully we'll get to see Fedor wipe the smiles off their smug faces soon.

05-30-2007, 01:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
Gambit7 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywood, FL Age: 32 Posts: 2,168	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson Those who follow MMA properly (myself included, though not as much lately) know without a doubt that UFC is really a joke compared to the rest of the world as it relates to MMA. (notably, Pride) UFC = american rednecks who think they're studs because they train for a bit on how to ground and pound someone inside a cage. Also, the rules are "care-bear" compared to other factions. This is why you NOW see a merger going on because honestly UFC cant survive in its current/past format. I was one of the ones who thought w/o a doubt that Rampage would destroy Liddell (as did most of my knowledgeable MMA brethren), simply because of the mere fact that Rampage is a product of Pride - and he did well there. He lives and trains in Japan with the REAL best fighters in the world and is deceptively intelligent (yes, he speaks japanese and has a japanese wife), granted so is Chuck. Liddell is/was not on the same level as some of Rampage's competition. Sorry... sad, but true. Rampage's ground game also is better then Liddell's, but for some reason you didnt hear much about it... this goes for submissions as well. Coupled with his superior brawling skills (rampage), Liddell just didnt match up well with him. Only way I thought Liddell could win is with a Lucky kick to the head, upon which if Rampage was still standing would promptly take chuck to the ground afterwards. Anyways, look for Pride to take over UFC... which they should (note Dan Henderson at the post-fight). As well, hopefully you'll see more Pancrase, Judo, and kickboxing guys involved... as well as the TRUE world-class martial artists who spend their lives perfecting their art. (the ones that choose not to take part in UFC) Lastly, notice how Rampage was booed (as are most of the African American MMA-ers at UFC). Yet, in Japan Rampage is treated as a god. tisk tisk tisk. What a young sport. At least they're finally focusing on Las Vegas instead of the backwood bayous they used to have UFC at. Marketing needs serious improvement though, because honestly you really dont get a good background on the fighters. As well, people need a better education on what actually is going on in a fight. I like Joe Rogan a lot, but perhaps he needs a better partner. __________________

05-30-2007, 04:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
Gambit7 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywood, FL Age: 32 Posts: 2,168	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson (cracks knuckles) Firstly, I take UFC, pride, and MMA in general as a "whole" in my arguments.. not just notable fights here and there. You cant HONESTLY think UFC has better fighters then other orgs. like Pride can you? Cmon now. Most UFC fighters (of the past moreso then now) have barely a few years experience in martial arts in general. I look at it as an MMA "power vacuum" so to speak, where any joblow can test his mettle. Granted, times are a-changin, like I said. Which is why UFC is enjoying more success now. And my generalization of UFC being "redneck," was meant to be more humorous than factual. But, the fact remains that UFC's roots come from that genre. Remember the days of the Confed. flag flying inside the arena?? How many lumberjack shirts does one need to see on ppv before making this assumption? And where the fighters are concerned, of course... moreso in the past, MOST of them were American. It's not like UFC was a bastion of intl competition. (laugh) And as far as filling arenas is concerned, UFC arenas are usually small and intimate affairs. Your typical MGM-grand type 10-15,000 people. Whereas in Japan they hold MMA in STADIUMS and large indoor arenas that hold twice as many people. As for the ruleset?? (giggle) You honestly think Americans wouldnt like the Pride ruleset more then UFC? cmon now. The only benefit the UFC ruleset has is it's more inclined to protect the fighters, as well.. the refs seem to be quicker on the draw in stopping fights. The fouls-list in UFC is like 3 times as long as Pride. The fights in UFC are much shorter (1st round in pride is 10 mins instead of UFC's 5 mins), enabling a lesser fighter to sneak away with victories or get saved by the bell. Point is, UFC will succeed because they're becoming more worldly instead of just secular. This is some of what Joe Rogan gets all moist about, because even he himself would share some of my prior notions (how many times has he said Pride fighters are better? a lot). This whole Vegas and Hard Rock thing is completely new for UFC and they were smart for moving to more neutral venues instead of holding fights at the local "Y" in Tuscaloosa, Alabama like they used to. Heck, they're goin to Belfast in a few weeks. Anyways, I'm excited where MMA is going these days. Almost to the point where I'm tempted to hit the gym myself. A Gracie camp is down the road from me (my friend trains and hangs with them) and American Top Team is about 15 mins away (the "Coconut Creek" fighters). My cousin used to train with Sean Sherk. __________________

05-30-2007, 06:27 PM	#25 (permalink)
VoodooGTS Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cali Posts: 30	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson that fight sucked. ended to fast. lol check out this fight againt rampage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1myemHJYic __________________ \|TG-Irr\| VoodooGTS

05-30-2007, 08:33 PM	#26 (permalink)
Hambergler Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Age: 33 Posts: 1,058	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson Pride vs UFC who cares. They all get to fight each other so time will tell. I rather see it in a cage myself. Parisyan Berkman was the best fight of the night for me. Although I thought he made a mistake calling out Dana White like that; no way can he match up to Matt Hughes. I'm sorry, but Serra is dead in the water. I also enjoyed the Houston Alexander fight, but I won't call it an MMA fight. I have seen that same tactic in a high school cafeteria. I am anticipating his next fight to see if he has any skill to go along with that anger. And Rashad Evans gets to prove once again that TV fighters can't stand up against real fighters. I love seeing those guys take a beating. Hehehe http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=even...htCard&eid=677 __________________

05-30-2007, 09:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
Gambit7 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywood, FL Age: 32 Posts: 2,168	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson well.. this IS a Chuck vs. Rampage thread.. so it's safe to assume we're going to debate some stuff eh? I mean, that's what this dang thread is for. And, naturally, in this debate will be a pride vs. ufc debate - so what? Close the thread if you dont want to hear it. And w/o these arguments UFC would probably be the same as it was when it began. Dana knows which direction to go due to arguments such as this. As for the cage, it has its merits. But, it does obscure the view from much of the crowd and I do wish it were larger. Roped rings have the benefit of a simulated larger environment, since the fights are reset more often and it's harder to use them to your advantage. The cage just always seems to be too much of a factor. As well, most training is done in a roped ring and most gyms and arenas are roped. My fav. fight was also the Parisyan fight because I like the Judo and it just was a more skilled-looking fight all around. Anyways, I look forward to the next UFC. more more more __________________

05-30-2007, 10:06 PM	#28 (permalink)
icky Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa Valley Posts: 6,154	Re: Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage Jackson If you want an actual debate, then you need to review your technique. Opening your argument by calling everyone else lesser MMA fans who should know that the UFC is a joke is the way you start a pissing contest, not a debate. If you think the UFC is at the bottom of the MMA totem pole, then you have surely never seen anything aside from Pride and UFC. I agree that Pride was an excellent organization and that there were many talented fighters fighting in their shows. I enjoyed Pride shows more than any other MMA competition. But I have enjoyed many of the UFC fights nonetheless, and I don't think you can broadly paint the UFC fighters as inferior. But alas, now the UFC is the only quality MMA organization. We can look forward to some GREAT battles for supremacy at 205 and 185. Liddell has his hands full with two MONSTERS sitting between him and that title. I will miss the tournaments if they never become part of the UFC, but I won't miss the rope ring. __________________ Peace through fear... since 1947!

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