Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts

**Sajier** · 01-11-2008, 12:29 AM

Guys, great work tonight. I can't tell you how happy I am to see solid performance and vastly improved work.

WWS2 Reports

**beep** · 01-11-2008, 12:50 AM

Nice work by all...two new bosses this week!!!

Now...do your homework so next week will go bettah!!! We can do in one night what took us two nights this week.

Arkamis · 01-11-2008, 01:56 AM

Gratz guys! Tidewalker's a big endurance fight, great job in downing him!

Group composition looks solid, but I would recommend moving Beeper in with the warlocks. The reason for this is simple: http://wowwebstats.com/qs1wqheod3sbk?s=9508-10025&a=50 and http://wowwebstats.com/qs1wqheod3sbk?s=9508-10025&a=51

Shadow damage makes up 33% of the damage taken by tidewalker, and 40% of the damage taken by murlocs. Boosting that Seed of Corruption damage even more will really ease the pain a lot by bringing down the Murlocs faster, bringing down Tidewalker faster, and allowing your Sajier to push higher regen for Beeper himself.

The difference wouldn't be extreme, but it would probably bring about 3% overall damage efficiency to your raid. It would be noticeable for certain. Now this would gimp Gaze a little bit, but Frostbolt benefits less from spell damage than Shadowbolt does, and in the end it's better to nerf one person to buff three.

Good performance from your rogues, too!

**Sajier** · 01-11-2008, 08:35 AM

Good points, Ark.

The reason we had the groups the way they were was because we had 3 warlocks, a healing priest and a shadow priest in my group, and Beeps group was 2 mages, Beep, a healing priest, and shadow priest. Each healing priest was there so they could PoH their group up after Earthquake to make healing a bit easier.

Heroism applied in the kill. Beeper did have a shadow priest in his group, so I shouldn't be taken into account as far as that goes.

If you are looking at WWS2's group listing, it takes the inital group setup, and doesn't change it based on individual fights, so you can't see group adjustments that were made prior to a fight. Its not quite as useful as seems. You need to drill down and look at buff applications to truly figure out which group was which.

Arkamis · 01-11-2008, 01:34 PM

Hm, I thought they fixed it per fight. I know in the beta it was borked. Slackers!

Going forward, you'll find healing easier and more predictable, and tossing VE up will help a lot, particularly in a warlock group.

**Sajier** · 01-11-2008, 03:43 PM

VE was kept up by all of the Shadow Priests as we were seeing significant reduction in aggro because we weren't SW: Death'ing with the random damage. I think next time I will SW: Death more as I have a better feel for the Earthquake and Water Tombs.

WWS2 is also still in beta

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Arkamis · 01-11-2008, 05:59 PM

Yeah, Tidewalker is a fight that definitely gets easier every time you do him.

The safest time to SW

and Lifetap is when murlocs are coming out, or right after a water tomb. That way there's no risk of going "hmm, apply self damage and WHOOPS RANDOM ASPLODE". Also, your healers will be more "awake" and ready to heal the damage.

If you're sneaky, they'll never know you're doing damage to yourself =).

Wintrow · 01-12-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkamis

Also, your healers will be more "awake" and ready to heal the damage.

If you're sneaky, they'll never know you're doing damage to yourself =).

For some reason, this sounds like the healers are the 'tards of the group.
Show some respect; some of us know what's going on....

Arkamis · 01-12-2008, 04:19 PM

That's why I put awake in quotes. It has nothing to do with not being aware, but rather, the more times you experience the fight, the more prescient you tend to get with healing.

Tidewalker has this tendency to go long periods without *doing* anything. Then sometimes he basically spams earthquake. It's very irregular, and once you get the hang of it, it's less jumpy with healing, and then your offtank healers can kind of take a nice break, or divide their love a bit.

01-11-2008, 12:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts Guys, great work tonight. I can't tell you how happy I am to see solid performance and vastly improved work. WWS2 Reports __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

01-11-2008, 12:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
beep Join Date: May 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,483	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts Nice work by all...two new bosses this week!!! Now...do your homework so next week will go bettah!!! We can do in one night what took us two nights this week. __________________ TG WoW Characters Beeper (Elemental Shaman) Tootr (Resto Shaman) AOC Characters in Ars Tactika (Cimmeria Server) Aston (Tempest of Set) Bheep (Conqueror) Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. - (Isaac Asimov)

01-11-2008, 01:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
Arkamis Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 621	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts Gratz guys! Tidewalker's a big endurance fight, great job in downing him! Group composition looks solid, but I would recommend moving Beeper in with the warlocks. The reason for this is simple: http://wowwebstats.com/qs1wqheod3sbk?s=9508-10025&a=50 and http://wowwebstats.com/qs1wqheod3sbk?s=9508-10025&a=51 Shadow damage makes up 33% of the damage taken by tidewalker, and 40% of the damage taken by murlocs. Boosting that Seed of Corruption damage even more will really ease the pain a lot by bringing down the Murlocs faster, bringing down Tidewalker faster, and allowing your Sajier to push higher regen for Beeper himself. The difference wouldn't be extreme, but it would probably bring about 3% overall damage efficiency to your raid. It would be noticeable for certain. Now this would gimp Gaze a little bit, but Frostbolt benefits less from spell damage than Shadowbolt does, and in the end it's better to nerf one person to buff three. Good performance from your rogues, too!

01-11-2008, 08:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts Good points, Ark. The reason we had the groups the way they were was because we had 3 warlocks, a healing priest and a shadow priest in my group, and Beeps group was 2 mages, Beep, a healing priest, and shadow priest. Each healing priest was there so they could PoH their group up after Earthquake to make healing a bit easier. Heroism applied in the kill. Beeper did have a shadow priest in his group, so I shouldn't be taken into account as far as that goes. If you are looking at WWS2's group listing, it takes the inital group setup, and doesn't change it based on individual fights, so you can't see group adjustments that were made prior to a fight. Its not quite as useful as seems. You need to drill down and look at buff applications to truly figure out which group was which. __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

01-11-2008, 01:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Arkamis Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 621	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts Hm, I thought they fixed it per fight. I know in the beta it was borked. Slackers! Going forward, you'll find healing easier and more predictable, and tossing VE up will help a lot, particularly in a warlock group.

01-11-2008, 03:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts VE was kept up by all of the Shadow Priests as we were seeing significant reduction in aggro because we weren't SW: Death'ing with the random damage. I think next time I will SW: Death more as I have a better feel for the Earthquake and Water Tombs. WWS2 is also still in beta . __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

01-11-2008, 05:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Arkamis Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 621	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts Yeah, Tidewalker is a fight that definitely gets easier every time you do him. The safest time to SW and Lifetap is when murlocs are coming out, or right after a water tomb. That way there's no risk of going "hmm, apply self damage and WHOOPS RANDOM ASPLODE". Also, your healers will be more "awake" and ready to heal the damage. If you're sneaky, they'll never know you're doing damage to yourself =).

01-12-2008, 04:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Arkamis Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 621	Re: Tidewalker Down! First Karathress Attempts That's why I put awake in quotes. It has nothing to do with not being aware, but rather, the more times you experience the fight, the more prescient you tend to get with healing. Tidewalker has this tendency to go long periods without doing anything. Then sometimes he basically spams earthquake. It's very irregular, and once you get the hang of it, it's less jumpy with healing, and then your offtank healers can kind of take a nice break, or divide their love a bit.

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