Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31

Flared · 02-01-2008, 03:21 PM

Last night was a great run. However, we did have one snafu with the Fathomlord (I'm not worry about Leo attempts because we were all learning that fight for the first time). Healing was blamed for Max's death so I parried down the combat log to stuff related to that:

03:06'36.092 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage
03:06'36.311 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 762
03:06'36.311 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Maxarilius for 241
03:06'36.498 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee parried by Maxarilius
03:06'36.561 Pilot performs Cleanse on NULL
03:06'36.623 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Enya for 525 Nature damage
03:06'36.936 Pilot performs Cleanse on Maxarilius
03:06'37.248 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Maxarilius for 241
03:06'37.327 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 110
03:06'37.327 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 110
03:06'37.342 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 191
03:06'37.358 Flared's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 5068
03:06'37.764 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 200
03:06'37.764 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Frost Shock hits Maxarilius for 5019 Frost damage
03:06'37.983 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage
03:06'38.155 Flared gains Clearcasting
03:06'38.170 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 191
03:06'38.170 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 190
03:06'38.170 Wintrow's Greater Heal heals Aestryd for 3332
03:06'38.327 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Maxarilius for 243
03:06'38.327 Maxarilius's Lifebloom heals Maxarilius for 1578
03:06'38.342 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Wintrow for 3366 Fire damage
03:06'38.342 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee misses Maxarilius
03:06'38.514 Maxarilius is afflicted by Frost Shock
03:06'38.561 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Enya for 525 Nature damage
03:06'38.702 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Pilot for 2853 Fire damage
03:06'38.889 Maxarilius gains Fecundity
03:06'38.905 Maxarilius gains Renew
03:06'38.905 Maxarilius is afflicted by Earthbind
03:06'38.936 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 102
03:06'38.936 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 101
03:06'38.983 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Flared for 2680 Fire damage
03:06'39.373 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 112
03:06'39.389 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 113
03:06'39.920 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage
03:06'40.530 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee parried by Maxarilius
03:06'40.827 Pilot performs Cleanse on NULL
03:06'40.952 Maxarilius is afflicted by Earthbind
03:06'40.952 Pilot performs Cleanse on Maxarilius
03:06'41.233 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 783
03:06'41.233 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Pilot for 2563 Fire damage
03:06'41.327 Wintrow gains Prayer of Mending
03:06'41.327 Wintrow gains Lifebloom
03:06'41.342 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 552
03:06'41.342 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 190
03:06'41.936 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage
03:06'42.014 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'42.170 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 102
03:06'42.170 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 101
03:06'42.186 Wintrow's Prayer of Mending heals Wintrow for 1807
03:06'42.186 Wintrow performs Prayer of Mending on NULL
03:06'42.327 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee parried by Maxarilius
03:06'42.514 Pilot gains Prayer of Mending
03:06'42.592 Flared's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 4828
03:06'42.608 Fathom-Lord Karathress's Cataclysmic Bolt hits Flared for 4006 Shadow damage
03:06'42.967 Flared is afflicted by Cataclysmic Bolt
03:06'42.967 Pilot gains Lifebloom
03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 3460
03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Pistos for 944
03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Flared for 934
03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Elminnster for 956
03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Water Elemental for 941
03:06'43.014 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Gaze for 942
03:06'43.014 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'43.373 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 121
03:06'43.655 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242
03:06'43.780 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 186
03:06'43.952 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage
03:06'43.952 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'44.155 Maxarilius is afflicted by Earthbind
03:06'44.155 Maxarilius gains Fecundity
03:06'44.186 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 190
03:06'44.202 Pilot's Flash of Light crit heals Maxarilius for 2619
03:06'44.420 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee dodged by Maxarilius
03:06'44.561 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 335
03:06'44.561 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 335
03:06'44.592 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242
03:06'44.936 Flared gains Rejuvenation
03:06'44.952 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 101
03:06'44.967 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 102
03:06'44.967 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Gaze for 945
03:06'44.967 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Flared for 934
03:06'44.998 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'45.358 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 83
03:06'45.373 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 110
03:06'45.373 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 111
03:06'45.655 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242
03:06'45.873 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 116
03:06'45.873 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 115
03:06'45.967 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage
03:06'45.967 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'46.139 Flared's Master Healthstone heals Flared for 2288
03:06'46.420 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3196 (308 blocked)
03:06'46.577 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242
03:06'46.577 Flared gains Fecundity
03:06'46.592 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 507
03:06'46.623 Pilot's Flash of Light heals Pilot for 1800
03:06'47.014 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess gains 2 extra attacks through Windfury
03:06'47.014 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'47.248 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790
03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee dodged by Maxarilius
03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3082 (308 blocked)
03:06'47.545 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 241
03:06'47.545 Delectable's Rejuvenation dot heals Flared for 882
03:06'47.545 Pilot performs Cleanse on NULL
03:06'47.795 Pilot performs Cleanse on Maxarilius
03:06'48.061 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227
03:06'48.061 Wintrow's Lifebloom heals Wintrow for 1512
03:06'48.264 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 101
03:06'48.264 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 101
03:06'48.280 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 111
03:06'48.358 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 4721
03:06'48.577 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242
03:06'48.623 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Frost Shock hits Maxarilius for 5472 Frost damage
03:06'49.014 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 116
03:06'49.014 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 115
03:06'49.373 Maxarilius is afflicted by Frost Shock
03:06'49.592 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 241
03:06'49.592 Pilot's Lifebloom heals Pilot for 1583
03:06'49.748 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess performs Spitfire Totem on NULL
03:06'49.780 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 117
03:06'50.108 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790
03:06'50.139 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 117
03:06'50.389 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 2977 (308 blocked)
03:06'50.592 Delectable's Rejuvenation dot heals Flared for 882
03:06'50.623 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 553
03:06'50.639 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 194
03:06'50.967 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess performs Poison Cleansing Totem on NULL
03:06'50.998 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 518
03:06'50.998 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 117
03:06'51.373 Maxarilius dies

The three healers that were supposed to be on Maxarilius were Wintrow, Pilot, and myself. I think Delectable was helping heal the raid. To summarize the events:

Pilot got hit by two spitfires totems.
Wintrow got hit by one spitfire totem and had a leeching throw dot on him.
Flared got hit by one spitfire totem and one cataclysmic bolt (this does a 2 second stun as well as hitting you for half your max health).

At time 03:06'46, Maxarilius was probably full health (he got hit by a lot of heals for the amount of damage) and basically all three healers assigned to Max were down in health (I was down less than 50% health due to spitfire/cataclysmic bolt combo). At that time, things went to hell. I used a health stone, Pilot healed himself, and Tidalvess decided to do the windfury thing and beat Max to a pulp over 4 seconds. Evidently, I didn't get a heal off in that time (GCD for the health stone and having looked away from the health bars to select the health stone probably slowed me enough so I didn't have the time). Pilot was evidently cleansing (is there something bad here that needs cleansing?). And Wintrow probably didn't get his greater heal off in time either. Oh, by the way, I had a renew on Max the whole time so the "six seconds without a heal" was a lie :-).

We could have done better there and we obviously did on the next attempt.

**Sajier** · 02-01-2008, 04:02 PM

When 5k hits are involved, 2 tick of renew do not a heal make (700 point heals, each of them).

03:06'42.592 Flared's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 4828
03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 3460
03:06'44.202 Pilot's Flash of Light crit heals Maxarilius for 2619
03:06'46.420 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3196 (308 blocked)
03:06'47.248 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790
03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee dodged by Maxarilius
03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3082 (308 blocked)
03:06'48.623 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Frost Shock hits Maxarilius for 5472 Frost damage
03:06'50.108 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790
03:06'50.389 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 2977 (308 blocked)
03:06'51.373 Maxarilius dies

While HoTs are nice buffers from priests, they are not the same as a 4k direct heal.

We understand that things happen. If we have someone raid healing, they still need to watch the tanks in case of this sort of situation. That said, sometimes crap happens and we move on. We did that last night.

Flared · 02-01-2008, 04:50 PM

Your right, one HoT isn't likely to save a tank. However, if you get two or more HoTs stacked on the tank it can definitely dampen out the damage and give us more time to deal with the spikes. In my opinion, we should be using them more.

vee · 02-01-2008, 05:16 PM

I can guarantee you that I was healing more than just you four, so it must have parsed the rest of that out. I was healing everyone in sight. The downside of raid healing is that you do not focus solely on one persons health bars. So if I saw their health low I would toss HoTs on them. Due to the damn GCD I can't really spam them as needed. Honestly I didn't think I'd need to pay attention to him that much with dedicated healers on him.

Flared · 02-01-2008, 05:24 PM

Yes, I removed everything from the combat parse that wasn't to Max or involving one of the healers dedicated to the tank to make it smaller (otherwise it would have went on for pages). So the only heals of yours you are seeing are the ones hitting Max, Pilot, Wintrow, or myself. And, for clarification, when I was saying we could have done better I was talking about Pilot, Wintrow and myself. You were doing fine considering the amount of damage the raid was taking.

Wintrow · 02-01-2008, 06:16 PM

I'm not too concerned with the specifics here and I don't think Flared's intent was to call anyone out or make excuses for anyone. This was a minor snafu that we obviously recognized and immediately resolved, as we normally do.

Our squad is lucky to have the quality of healers that we do; folks who understand their strengths and can adjust on the fly. Despite the uber-ness, people will still die from time to time....

**beep** · 02-01-2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wintrow

I'm not too concerned with the specifics here

Our squad is lucky to have the quality of healers that we do; folks who understand their strengths and can adjust on the fly. Despite the uber-ness, people will still die from time to time....

Amen! Our healers work hard to do their job...I have HUGE respect for their contribution. It's worth looking back to see what could/might have been better as a learning exercise. That's how we get better.

TeaLeaf · 02-12-2008, 04:40 AM

Noting the frost shock in there, did you have a totem down in that grup to eat the frost shock? Makes the randomness seem a heck of a lot easier.

TL.

**beep** · 02-12-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeaLeaf

Noting the frost shock in there, did you have a totem down in that grup to eat the frost shock? Makes the randomness seem a heck of a lot easier.

TL.

Our only shaman (me) was not in his group, so a totem wasn't going to matter.

02-01-2008, 03:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Flared Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 47	Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 Last night was a great run. However, we did have one snafu with the Fathomlord (I'm not worry about Leo attempts because we were all learning that fight for the first time). Healing was blamed for Max's death so I parried down the combat log to stuff related to that: 03:06'36.092 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage 03:06'36.311 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 762 03:06'36.311 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Maxarilius for 241 03:06'36.498 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee parried by Maxarilius 03:06'36.561 Pilot performs Cleanse on NULL 03:06'36.623 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Enya for 525 Nature damage 03:06'36.936 Pilot performs Cleanse on Maxarilius 03:06'37.248 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Maxarilius for 241 03:06'37.327 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 110 03:06'37.327 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 110 03:06'37.342 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 191 03:06'37.358 Flared's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 5068 03:06'37.764 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 200 03:06'37.764 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Frost Shock hits Maxarilius for 5019 Frost damage 03:06'37.983 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage 03:06'38.155 Flared gains Clearcasting 03:06'38.170 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 191 03:06'38.170 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 190 03:06'38.170 Wintrow's Greater Heal heals Aestryd for 3332 03:06'38.327 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Maxarilius for 243 03:06'38.327 Maxarilius's Lifebloom heals Maxarilius for 1578 03:06'38.342 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Wintrow for 3366 Fire damage 03:06'38.342 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee misses Maxarilius 03:06'38.514 Maxarilius is afflicted by Frost Shock 03:06'38.561 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Enya for 525 Nature damage 03:06'38.702 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Pilot for 2853 Fire damage 03:06'38.889 Maxarilius gains Fecundity 03:06'38.905 Maxarilius gains Renew 03:06'38.905 Maxarilius is afflicted by Earthbind 03:06'38.936 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 102 03:06'38.936 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 101 03:06'38.983 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Flared for 2680 Fire damage 03:06'39.373 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 112 03:06'39.389 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 113 03:06'39.920 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage 03:06'40.530 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee parried by Maxarilius 03:06'40.827 Pilot performs Cleanse on NULL 03:06'40.952 Maxarilius is afflicted by Earthbind 03:06'40.952 Pilot performs Cleanse on Maxarilius 03:06'41.233 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 783 03:06'41.233 Spitfire Totem's Attack hits Pilot for 2563 Fire damage 03:06'41.327 Wintrow gains Prayer of Mending 03:06'41.327 Wintrow gains Lifebloom 03:06'41.342 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 552 03:06'41.342 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 190 03:06'41.936 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage 03:06'42.014 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'42.170 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 102 03:06'42.170 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 101 03:06'42.186 Wintrow's Prayer of Mending heals Wintrow for 1807 03:06'42.186 Wintrow performs Prayer of Mending on NULL 03:06'42.327 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee parried by Maxarilius 03:06'42.514 Pilot gains Prayer of Mending 03:06'42.592 Flared's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 4828 03:06'42.608 Fathom-Lord Karathress's Cataclysmic Bolt hits Flared for 4006 Shadow damage 03:06'42.967 Flared is afflicted by Cataclysmic Bolt 03:06'42.967 Pilot gains Lifebloom 03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 3460 03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Pistos for 944 03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Flared for 934 03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Elminnster for 956 03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Water Elemental for 941 03:06'43.014 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Gaze for 942 03:06'43.014 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'43.373 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 121 03:06'43.655 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242 03:06'43.780 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 186 03:06'43.952 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage 03:06'43.952 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'44.155 Maxarilius is afflicted by Earthbind 03:06'44.155 Maxarilius gains Fecundity 03:06'44.186 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 190 03:06'44.202 Pilot's Flash of Light crit heals Maxarilius for 2619 03:06'44.420 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee dodged by Maxarilius 03:06'44.561 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 335 03:06'44.561 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 335 03:06'44.592 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242 03:06'44.936 Flared gains Rejuvenation 03:06'44.952 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 101 03:06'44.967 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 102 03:06'44.967 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Gaze for 945 03:06'44.967 Wintrow's Circle of Healing heals Flared for 934 03:06'44.998 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'45.358 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 83 03:06'45.373 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 110 03:06'45.373 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 111 03:06'45.655 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242 03:06'45.873 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 116 03:06'45.873 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 115 03:06'45.967 Fathom-Guard Sharkkis's Leeching Throw dots Wintrow for 525 Nature damage 03:06'45.967 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'46.139 Flared's Master Healthstone heals Flared for 2288 03:06'46.420 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3196 (308 blocked) 03:06'46.577 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242 03:06'46.577 Flared gains Fecundity 03:06'46.592 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 507 03:06'46.623 Pilot's Flash of Light heals Pilot for 1800 03:06'47.014 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess gains 2 extra attacks through Windfury 03:06'47.014 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'47.248 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790 03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee dodged by Maxarilius 03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3082 (308 blocked) 03:06'47.545 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 241 03:06'47.545 Delectable's Rejuvenation dot heals Flared for 882 03:06'47.545 Pilot performs Cleanse on NULL 03:06'47.795 Pilot performs Cleanse on Maxarilius 03:06'48.061 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Wintrow for 227 03:06'48.061 Wintrow's Lifebloom heals Wintrow for 1512 03:06'48.264 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 101 03:06'48.264 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 101 03:06'48.280 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 111 03:06'48.358 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 4721 03:06'48.577 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 242 03:06'48.623 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Frost Shock hits Maxarilius for 5472 Frost damage 03:06'49.014 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Pilot for 116 03:06'49.014 Sajier's Vampiric Embrace heals Delectable for 115 03:06'49.373 Maxarilius is afflicted by Frost Shock 03:06'49.592 Delectable's Lifebloom dot heals Pilot for 241 03:06'49.592 Pilot's Lifebloom heals Pilot for 1583 03:06'49.748 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess performs Spitfire Totem on NULL 03:06'49.780 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 117 03:06'50.108 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790 03:06'50.139 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 117 03:06'50.389 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 2977 (308 blocked) 03:06'50.592 Delectable's Rejuvenation dot heals Flared for 882 03:06'50.623 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 553 03:06'50.639 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 194 03:06'50.967 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess performs Poison Cleansing Totem on NULL 03:06'50.998 Bigslick's Vampiric Embrace heals Wintrow for 518 03:06'50.998 Pistos's Vampiric Embrace heals Flared for 117 03:06'51.373 Maxarilius dies The three healers that were supposed to be on Maxarilius were Wintrow, Pilot, and myself. I think Delectable was helping heal the raid. To summarize the events: Pilot got hit by two spitfires totems. Wintrow got hit by one spitfire totem and had a leeching throw dot on him. Flared got hit by one spitfire totem and one cataclysmic bolt (this does a 2 second stun as well as hitting you for half your max health). At time 03:06'46, Maxarilius was probably full health (he got hit by a lot of heals for the amount of damage) and basically all three healers assigned to Max were down in health (I was down less than 50% health due to spitfire/cataclysmic bolt combo). At that time, things went to hell. I used a health stone, Pilot healed himself, and Tidalvess decided to do the windfury thing and beat Max to a pulp over 4 seconds. Evidently, I didn't get a heal off in that time (GCD for the health stone and having looked away from the health bars to select the health stone probably slowed me enough so I didn't have the time). Pilot was evidently cleansing (is there something bad here that needs cleansing?). And Wintrow probably didn't get his greater heal off in time either. Oh, by the way, I had a renew on Max the whole time so the "six seconds without a heal" was a lie :-). We could have done better there and we obviously did on the next attempt.

02-01-2008, 04:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 When 5k hits are involved, 2 tick of renew do not a heal make (700 point heals, each of them). 03:06'42.592 Flared's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 4828 03:06'42.998 Wintrow's Greater Heal heals Maxarilius for 3460 03:06'44.202 Pilot's Flash of Light crit heals Maxarilius for 2619 03:06'46.420 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3196 (308 blocked) 03:06'47.248 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790 03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee dodged by Maxarilius 03:06'47.405 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 3082 (308 blocked) 03:06'48.623 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Frost Shock hits Maxarilius for 5472 Frost damage 03:06'50.108 Flared's Renew dot heals Maxarilius for 790 03:06'50.389 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Maxarilius for 2977 (308 blocked) 03:06'51.373 Maxarilius dies While HoTs are nice buffers from priests, they are not the same as a 4k direct heal. We understand that things happen. If we have someone raid healing, they still need to watch the tanks in case of this sort of situation. That said, sometimes crap happens and we move on. We did that last night. __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

02-01-2008, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
Flared Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 47	Re: Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 Your right, one HoT isn't likely to save a tank. However, if you get two or more HoTs stacked on the tank it can definitely dampen out the damage and give us more time to deal with the spikes. In my opinion, we should be using them more.

02-01-2008, 05:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
vee Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 75	Re: Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 I can guarantee you that I was healing more than just you four, so it must have parsed the rest of that out. I was healing everyone in sight. The downside of raid healing is that you do not focus solely on one persons health bars. So if I saw their health low I would toss HoTs on them. Due to the damn GCD I can't really spam them as needed. Honestly I didn't think I'd need to pay attention to him that much with dedicated healers on him. __________________ Delectable - 70 Druid Nymphai - 70 Rogue Meepmeep - 70 Warlock

02-01-2008, 05:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Flared Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 47	Re: Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 Yes, I removed everything from the combat parse that wasn't to Max or involving one of the healers dedicated to the tank to make it smaller (otherwise it would have went on for pages). So the only heals of yours you are seeing are the ones hitting Max, Pilot, Wintrow, or myself. And, for clarification, when I was saying we could have done better I was talking about Pilot, Wintrow and myself. You were doing fine considering the amount of damage the raid was taking.

02-01-2008, 06:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wintrow Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Deerfield, IL Age: 29 Posts: 525	Re: Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 I'm not too concerned with the specifics here and I don't think Flared's intent was to call anyone out or make excuses for anyone. This was a minor snafu that we obviously recognized and immediately resolved, as we normally do. Our squad is lucky to have the quality of healers that we do; folks who understand their strengths and can adjust on the fly. Despite the uber-ness, people will still die from time to time.... __________________ 70 Priest

02-12-2008, 04:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
TeaLeaf Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 41	Re: Fathomlord Attempt #1 From 1/31 Noting the frost shock in there, did you have a totem down in that grup to eat the frost shock? Makes the randomness seem a heck of a lot easier. TL. __________________ -=[dMw]=-TeaLeaf deadmen.co.uk Sora (soraguild.org) Currently having fun learning Felmyst!

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