AAR - Magtheridon 8/30

**Sajier** · 08-31-2007, 10:28 AM

WWS Report

Team: Beep, Sharabeth, Kils, Talara, Gaiaghost, Drewidism, Maxarilius, Lunatg, Pridefc, Gaviin, Aeryck, Anastacea, Wintrow, Flared, Sajier, Xyris(subbed for Stargazur late), Pistos, Dryne, Elminnster, Gnopaine, Celltar, Tarenth, Muirc, Jest, Shirokuma, Stargazur

Good work tonight guys, we made some solid progress learning the fight, and our DPS got better and better on the channelers and our interrupts were very well handled.

A couple notes on the night. We went in healer light, having only 5 primary healers, and one of those being new. This lead to us having a bit more trouble than we normally will. Normally we run at least 6 primary healers, sometimes 7, so hopefully next week when we go in there we will be better on the healing side.

We need to get used to the blast wave cube clicking. At 30 seconds till Blast Wave, the first group should be moving to their cube assignments while the rest of the raid works on the adds. Once the quake happens, you should have Mags targeted and be near your cube and ready to click the moment he starts the blast wave. We need everyone to be a bit more aware of where their cube is located and be ready.

All of this said, this was a good first night. We got 3 channelers down before the banish break just about every time, and we had 4 down before the break twice. We need to handle the infernals a bit better, but the Hunters and Warlocks did a great job tonight. We have to be a bit more cogniscent of the ones in the back though to make sure we get them off the healers.

Good work tonight, and lets get in there and make more progress next week. Sign-ups are about to be posted.

Gnopaine · 08-31-2007, 10:39 AM

Great learning night. If we can keep the raid alive into phase 2, we are going to be in great shape. Another healer or two and some tweaking to our CC will definitely do the trick.

We may want to consider sacrificing a little DPS and positioning a lock in the back between the last two channelers. Our Fear is only 20 yards and our Banish is 30, and those two distances can't be extended by talents. If there's an infernal 60 yards away across the room, there's no way we can react to it in time.

Actually the lock should have time to DPS down the first channeler before running back there, but it probably pays to be safe while we're learning it. The lock can also keep Tongues up on both channelers to minimize the number of summons.

Elminnster · 08-31-2007, 11:37 AM

It was a good learning experience. We figured out what we need to do and can now focus on improving it. Watching the fight video makes more sense now.

Dryne and I were using a "/stopcast; /cast Counterspell" macro to increase effectiveness of the interrupts. Melee was doing an excellent job of interrupting the channelers, so it became less necessary to cast counterspell. When the cooldown was up, I threw it in near the end of the channeler's cast just in case.

Good work!

Flared · 08-31-2007, 01:25 PM

Ouch:

04:18'20.111 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 12258

Here is a better one:

04:33'05.971 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 9498 (crushing)
04:33'07.986 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 11017 (255 blocked)

20.5k damage in 2 seconds

Looks like a cleave every 10 seconds or so for around 10-12Kish and normal melee for around 6-7K every 2 seconds. Crushing blows are 9-10K. Example:

04:43'11.330 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 10319 (255 blocked)
04:43'15.330 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 5910 (255 blocked)
04:43'17.346 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 6690 (255 blocked)
04:43'19.221 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 7273 (255 blocked)
04:43'21.393 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 10345 (255 blocked)

As a reminder to myself, put up fear ward at the start on all the healers. Channeler's tend to fear healers out of range of the tank they are trying to heal otherwise.

**Sajier** · 08-31-2007, 02:30 PM

Can't wait till all priests have fear ward.

Gnopaine · 08-31-2007, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajier

Can't wait till all priests have fear ward.

I think it would be better if all priests would get this.

**Tarenth** · 08-31-2007, 04:10 PM

All Priests are getting Fear Ward? Didn't know that...

Hunter Breakdown:
I'm neglecting to use Rapid Fire. Hitting it as we finish off the 3rd channeler and work on the 4th would substancially increase burst DPS for a moment and might give us the umpth needed to get the 4th down quickly. Muirc is also forgetting to use Rapid Fire with both of us having 0 recorded usage. In comparison Jest is probably the best having used RF 11 times and Shiro at least better than Muirc and me with 3 recorded usages. Hunters should probably all burn it at the same time on the 3rd or 4th mob in order to speed up downing them before we get distracted by the earthquake and blast wave. It should not be used on the earlier mobs because that would just cause the later mobs to do more damage faster and for longer.

Muirc needs to find a way to work in more Multi-Shots because as a MM hunter they are a significant source of DPS. Be wary of the infernals during the Mags fight, but you can still let loose if the nearest infernals are banished or if there are no infernals at all. You don't have focus regeneration talents so either stick with Gore or Bite on your pet's autocast. Using both will quickly drain your focus on prolonged fights and cause delays between the next skill usaged due to a shortage which will decrease your pet's DPS.

On a related note [Carrot on a Stick] does not stack with [Riding Crop] so wearing both won't help. Scope your Xbow and I so hate you for winning those pants. :P

Jest you should also work on getting more Multi-shots in and you might be neglecting steady shot again. You only fired 31 MS and 60 Steadys so try to get a pattern or work yourself into a rhythm so you're consistantly firing them when you get targets of opportunity. Your increased DPS number is actually due to the fact that you have a DPS pet using focus conserving skills (Fire Breath and Bite both have 10 second cooldowns and consume 85 total focus) and you are the best of us in remembering to use Rapid Fire. Kudos to you.

I also hate you for having [Beast Lord Leggings] but that's just me.

Shiro you might want to consider streamlining your talent spec and taking a DPS pet instead of a support pet as a BM hunter. Get rid of your cloak ([Capacitus' Cloak of Calibration]), Bracers ([Giantstalker's Bracers]), and ring ([Ogre Slayer's Band]) because they aren't helping you and are actually pulling you down with the wasted points in strength or lower point limit due to age.

You need to focus on Stamina/AP primarily, Agility secondary, and Crit/Intel last as a BM hunter so plan out your gems accordingly. Stamina and AP will give your pet more hp and AP, agility will give your pet less AP, and Crit/intel will give your pet nothing, but help your damage output. Any combination that maxes out your RAP will make your pet more powerful and more stamina means a larger base HP for spirit bond to work with. It doesn't matter how often you crit because you'll still hit like a wet noodle compared to a MM hunter, but you want to max out your pet as much as possible.

Consider shuffling your points around to take Ferocious Inspiration (+3% damage to the party for 10 seconds) and focus regenerating talents (Bestial Discipline/Go for the Throat) so you can use the high DPS/high focus drain abilities like claw and gore (perferably gore with its 50% double damage rate independent of crits). I'd go for this kind of build, but that's just my opinion after looking at your current point spread. I'd also look into getting Imp Hunter's Mark since that will give your pet an additional 110 AP, but since you currently have no points in that talent I don't think you'd consider it. It also isn't really that important in raids because we will probably have someone who is specced that way. Make sure to pester everyone to fully buff your pet with everything including paladin buffs (might/kings at least) because it is your primary source of DPS with your build. You can safely ignore arcane shot, aimed shot, and multi-shot from your shot rotations because with Serpent's Swiftness you're better off gunning for a Machine Gun approach using steady shot which does as much damage for less mana.

On Misdirection targets you have the difficult job of only being able to use Distracting Shot because your normal damage shots are just too weak in comparison. Distracting shot will give 800 threat to your target and your average shot will give only 500 damage. It will take you a full 16 seconds (0->8->16) to complete your MD shot rotation and are unable to do DPS yourself until you do so make sure to cancel autoshot after each distracting you fire.

Lastly I keep getting killed either on the cube or running to the cube and my hp generally floats around 2-4k understandably. Either have 3 strings of cube clickers (assigning rogues/offtanks as emergency replacements) or get mroe heals on the 2 strings we currently have. If both of the people assigned to that cube go down then we generally wipe and we have little chance of picking things up if its to a shadow volley or infernal drop enroute.

Muirc · 08-31-2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarenth

Muirc needs to find a way to work in more Multi-Shots because as a MM hunter they are a significant source of DPS. Be wary of the infernals during the Mags fight, but you can still let loose if the nearest infernals are banished or if there are no infernals at all. You don't have focus regeneration talents so either stick with Gore or Bite on your pet's autocast. Using both will quickly drain your focus on prolonged fights and cause delays between the next skill usaged due to a shortage which will decrease your pet's DPS.

On a related note [Carrot on a Stick] does not stack with [Riding Crop] so wearing both won't help. Scope your Xbow and I so hate you for winning those pants. :P

Yeah my shot rotation is in the works since the first WWS report I've been trying to find a rhythym and the right rotation. I may go back to doing it manually. I tried the macro approach but you don't get much feel for the rotation by button smashing.

NOTE HUNTERS: I downloaded a mod called Quartz really helps with seeing your shot cast time so you get a better feel for the rotation. I would suggest downloading it.

And I didn't scope my xbow cuz i'm determined to get YOUR BOW! Hell Beep has your bow and Defiant hasn't seen it drop once...stupid Prince....grrrr.

On another note: Cookies might be worth saving for the people handling the cubes and have them use it right before they click the cube. Also, everyone should bring a few health potions so in case you do get assigned the cube you can pop one during your turn at the cube. Just a suggestion.

I know they don't stack but i'm flying anyway so doesn't matter what is in that slot.

AND Tarenth.....I have both the demon stalker and beast lord pants!

**Tarenth** · 08-31-2007, 08:00 PM

Actually Beep, Shara, and I all have that bow now. Eventually I think everyone is going to have it (even the casters just to show off) and its sad because we have a shortage of Karazhan ready hunters to drag into the raids. Its very funny to watch all three of us line up and whip them out to do a pull (Beep and Shara for their targets and me winding up a MD Aimed Shot).

Notice how I didn't specify which pair of pants? Oh yeah! I hate you so much and with a burning intensity only rivaled by the raging fires of a thousand suns. So :P to you.

The problem I was having wasn't "I'm low as I start channeling", the problem I was having was "I'm low" period. Each fight I dipped below 200 hp and at one point I hit 12 hp after a shadowbolt volley. You really don't get any reactionary Prayer of Healings if there is no priest in your group and I was the only nontank crucial person in Group 1 so the heals were few and far between as they tried to keep the tanks up. I had to shift position frequently in order to try and outdistance the volleys and get some health back which pushed me out of range of the circle group which I was watching. Then I'd have to scramble back to pull the infernal and try to stay alive as I get pounded with more volleys and pray for a heal. I even died enroute to my cube for the channeling twice which I'm sure caused a wipe because I remember seeing Celltar (the 2nd string square clicker) down as well. By the time we're on the 3rd channeler my cookie is a fond memory and I'm hovering at 3k hp if not lower.

On a side note, could all hunters ready a macro for misdirection when they use it? If you have an autoannouncing macro for misdirection it lets everyone know you're using it and provides a visual clue to when they're going out.

Doesn't have to be complicated either.

Code:

#showtooltip Misdirection
/raid Casting Misdirection!
/cast Misdirection

First line keeps the Misdirection skill icon and timer on your bar.
Second line announces its use to raid chat
Third line casts the spell either on target or gives you the click to cast hand.

Muirc · 09-03-2007, 12:38 PM

Tarenth-

What was the command you added to the second line to announce who you're casting MD on?

**Tarenth** · 09-03-2007, 09:16 PM

There are two commands that come to mind.

%t and %f

%t is for your Target's name and %f is for your Focus' name.

A focus is set by using /setfocus and removed with /clearfocus. A white aura is placed around the targeting picture that shows you what you have focused upon. You can have only 1 focus at a time.

I use focus for set-n-forget crowd control macros and debuffs like serpent sting and scorpid sting so I can fire off what I need without having to retarget. (/target focus /targetlasttarget) I could use focus with misdirection to call out the name of the person I'm targeting, but that would set my focus elsewhere and I might just start trying to fire scorpid sting at them as my focus.

Your target is selfexplanitory.

08-31-2007, 10:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,460	AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 WWS Report Team: Beep, Sharabeth, Kils, Talara, Gaiaghost, Drewidism, Maxarilius, Lunatg, Pridefc, Gaviin, Aeryck, Anastacea, Wintrow, Flared, Sajier, Xyris(subbed for Stargazur late), Pistos, Dryne, Elminnster, Gnopaine, Celltar, Tarenth, Muirc, Jest, Shirokuma, Stargazur Good work tonight guys, we made some solid progress learning the fight, and our DPS got better and better on the channelers and our interrupts were very well handled. A couple notes on the night. We went in healer light, having only 5 primary healers, and one of those being new. This lead to us having a bit more trouble than we normally will. Normally we run at least 6 primary healers, sometimes 7, so hopefully next week when we go in there we will be better on the healing side. We need to get used to the blast wave cube clicking. At 30 seconds till Blast Wave, the first group should be moving to their cube assignments while the rest of the raid works on the adds. Once the quake happens, you should have Mags targeted and be near your cube and ready to click the moment he starts the blast wave. We need everyone to be a bit more aware of where their cube is located and be ready. All of this said, this was a good first night. We got 3 channelers down before the banish break just about every time, and we had 4 down before the break twice. We need to handle the infernals a bit better, but the Hunters and Warlocks did a great job tonight. We have to be a bit more cogniscent of the ones in the back though to make sure we get them off the healers. Good work tonight, and lets get in there and make more progress next week. Sign-ups are about to be posted. __________________ Sajier/Sajaman/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and Resto Shaman, BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

08-31-2007, 10:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Gnopaine Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 94	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 Great learning night. If we can keep the raid alive into phase 2, we are going to be in great shape. Another healer or two and some tweaking to our CC will definitely do the trick. We may want to consider sacrificing a little DPS and positioning a lock in the back between the last two channelers. Our Fear is only 20 yards and our Banish is 30, and those two distances can't be extended by talents. If there's an infernal 60 yards away across the room, there's no way we can react to it in time. Actually the lock should have time to DPS down the first channeler before running back there, but it probably pays to be safe while we're learning it. The lock can also keep Tongues up on both channelers to minimize the number of summons. __________________ Gnopaine - Level 70 Warlock (Affliction) Scarpia (aka Edbane) - Level 70 Paladin (Holy) Ripoffron - Level 1 Auction House Hustler

08-31-2007, 11:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
Elminnster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 178	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 It was a good learning experience. We figured out what we need to do and can now focus on improving it. Watching the fight video makes more sense now. Dryne and I were using a "/stopcast; /cast Counterspell" macro to increase effectiveness of the interrupts. Melee was doing an excellent job of interrupting the channelers, so it became less necessary to cast counterspell. When the cooldown was up, I threw it in near the end of the channeler's cast just in case. Good work!

08-31-2007, 01:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
Flared Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 31	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 Ouch: 04:18'20.111 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 12258 Here is a better one: 04:33'05.971 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 9498 (crushing) 04:33'07.986 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 11017 (255 blocked) 20.5k damage in 2 seconds Looks like a cleave every 10 seconds or so for around 10-12Kish and normal melee for around 6-7K every 2 seconds. Crushing blows are 9-10K. Example: 04:43'11.330 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 10319 (255 blocked) 04:43'15.330 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 5910 (255 blocked) 04:43'17.346 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 6690 (255 blocked) 04:43'19.221 Magtheridon's Melee hits Beep for 7273 (255 blocked) 04:43'21.393 Magtheridon's Cleave hits Beep for 10345 (255 blocked) As a reminder to myself, put up fear ward at the start on all the healers. Channeler's tend to fear healers out of range of the tank they are trying to heal otherwise. Last edited by Flared; 08-31-2007 at 01:38 PM. Reason: More info

08-31-2007, 02:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,460	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 Can't wait till all priests have fear ward. __________________ Sajier/Sajaman/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and Resto Shaman, BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

08-31-2007, 04:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,162	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 All Priests are getting Fear Ward? Didn't know that... Hunter Breakdown: I'm neglecting to use Rapid Fire. Hitting it as we finish off the 3rd channeler and work on the 4th would substancially increase burst DPS for a moment and might give us the umpth needed to get the 4th down quickly. Muirc is also forgetting to use Rapid Fire with both of us having 0 recorded usage. In comparison Jest is probably the best having used RF 11 times and Shiro at least better than Muirc and me with 3 recorded usages. Hunters should probably all burn it at the same time on the 3rd or 4th mob in order to speed up downing them before we get distracted by the earthquake and blast wave. It should not be used on the earlier mobs because that would just cause the later mobs to do more damage faster and for longer. Muirc needs to find a way to work in more Multi-Shots because as a MM hunter they are a significant source of DPS. Be wary of the infernals during the Mags fight, but you can still let loose if the nearest infernals are banished or if there are no infernals at all. You don't have focus regeneration talents so either stick with Gore or Bite on your pet's autocast. Using both will quickly drain your focus on prolonged fights and cause delays between the next skill usaged due to a shortage which will decrease your pet's DPS. On a related note [Carrot on a Stick] does not stack with [Riding Crop] so wearing both won't help. Scope your Xbow and I so hate you for winning those pants. :P Jest you should also work on getting more Multi-shots in and you might be neglecting steady shot again. You only fired 31 MS and 60 Steadys so try to get a pattern or work yourself into a rhythm so you're consistantly firing them when you get targets of opportunity. Your increased DPS number is actually due to the fact that you have a DPS pet using focus conserving skills (Fire Breath and Bite both have 10 second cooldowns and consume 85 total focus) and you are the best of us in remembering to use Rapid Fire. Kudos to you. I also hate you for having [Beast Lord Leggings] but that's just me. Shiro you might want to consider streamlining your talent spec and taking a DPS pet instead of a support pet as a BM hunter. Get rid of your cloak ([Capacitus' Cloak of Calibration]), Bracers ([Giantstalker's Bracers]), and ring ([Ogre Slayer's Band]) because they aren't helping you and are actually pulling you down with the wasted points in strength or lower point limit due to age. You need to focus on Stamina/AP primarily, Agility secondary, and Crit/Intel last as a BM hunter so plan out your gems accordingly. Stamina and AP will give your pet more hp and AP, agility will give your pet less AP, and Crit/intel will give your pet nothing, but help your damage output. Any combination that maxes out your RAP will make your pet more powerful and more stamina means a larger base HP for spirit bond to work with. It doesn't matter how often you crit because you'll still hit like a wet noodle compared to a MM hunter, but you want to max out your pet as much as possible. Consider shuffling your points around to take Ferocious Inspiration (+3% damage to the party for 10 seconds) and focus regenerating talents (Bestial Discipline/Go for the Throat) so you can use the high DPS/high focus drain abilities like claw and gore (perferably gore with its 50% double damage rate independent of crits). I'd go for this kind of build, but that's just my opinion after looking at your current point spread. I'd also look into getting Imp Hunter's Mark since that will give your pet an additional 110 AP, but since you currently have no points in that talent I don't think you'd consider it. It also isn't really that important in raids because we will probably have someone who is specced that way. Make sure to pester everyone to fully buff your pet with everything including paladin buffs (might/kings at least) because it is your primary source of DPS with your build. You can safely ignore arcane shot, aimed shot, and multi-shot from your shot rotations because with Serpent's Swiftness you're better off gunning for a Machine Gun approach using steady shot which does as much damage for less mana. On Misdirection targets you have the difficult job of only being able to use Distracting Shot because your normal damage shots are just too weak in comparison. Distracting shot will give 800 threat to your target and your average shot will give only 500 damage. It will take you a full 16 seconds (0->8->16) to complete your MD shot rotation and are unable to do DPS yourself until you do so make sure to cancel autoshot after each distracting you fire. Lastly I keep getting killed either on the cube or running to the cube and my hp generally floats around 2-4k understandably. Either have 3 strings of cube clickers (assigning rogues/offtanks as emergency replacements) or get mroe heals on the 2 strings we currently have. If both of the people assigned to that cube go down then we generally wipe and we have little chance of picking things up if its to a shadow volley or infernal drop enroute. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

08-31-2007, 08:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,162	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 Actually Beep, Shara, and I all have that bow now. Eventually I think everyone is going to have it (even the casters just to show off) and its sad because we have a shortage of Karazhan ready hunters to drag into the raids. Its very funny to watch all three of us line up and whip them out to do a pull (Beep and Shara for their targets and me winding up a MD Aimed Shot). Notice how I didn't specify which pair of pants? Oh yeah! I hate you so much and with a burning intensity only rivaled by the raging fires of a thousand suns. So :P to you. The problem I was having wasn't "I'm low as I start channeling", the problem I was having was "I'm low" period. Each fight I dipped below 200 hp and at one point I hit 12 hp after a shadowbolt volley. You really don't get any reactionary Prayer of Healings if there is no priest in your group and I was the only nontank crucial person in Group 1 so the heals were few and far between as they tried to keep the tanks up. I had to shift position frequently in order to try and outdistance the volleys and get some health back which pushed me out of range of the circle group which I was watching. Then I'd have to scramble back to pull the infernal and try to stay alive as I get pounded with more volleys and pray for a heal. I even died enroute to my cube for the channeling twice which I'm sure caused a wipe because I remember seeing Celltar (the 2nd string square clicker) down as well. By the time we're on the 3rd channeler my cookie is a fond memory and I'm hovering at 3k hp if not lower. On a side note, could all hunters ready a macro for misdirection when they use it? If you have an autoannouncing macro for misdirection it lets everyone know you're using it and provides a visual clue to when they're going out. Doesn't have to be complicated either. Code: #showtooltip Misdirection /raid Casting Misdirection! /cast Misdirection First line keeps the Misdirection skill icon and timer on your bar. Second line announces its use to raid chat Third line casts the spell either on target or gives you the click to cast hand. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

09-03-2007, 12:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
Muirc Join Date: May 2006 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 361	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 Tarenth- What was the command you added to the second line to announce who you're casting MD on? __________________ "Remember that all things are only opinions and that it is in your power to think as you please."

09-03-2007, 09:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,162	Re: AAR - Magtheridon 8/30 There are two commands that come to mind. %t and %f %t is for your Target's name and %f is for your Focus' name. A focus is set by using /setfocus and removed with /clearfocus. A white aura is placed around the targeting picture that shows you what you have focused upon. You can have only 1 focus at a time. I use focus for set-n-forget crowd control macros and debuffs like serpent sting and scorpid sting so I can fire off what I need without having to retarget. (/target focus /targetlasttarget) I could use focus with misdirection to call out the name of the person I'm targeting, but that would set my focus elsewhere and I might just start trying to fire scorpid sting at them as my focus. Your target is selfexplanitory. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

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