10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing - Page 2

**Tarenth** · 10-08-2007, 04:06 AM

Yeah...that comment was actually in reference to Tea's statement of

Quote:

To improve their DPS even further can I suggest that both Pistos & Sajier start to include Shadow Word Death in their rotation? Yes it hits you for some damage, but then you've got VE up which then heals it back anyway. It would make a significant improvement to your DPS figures and keep you ahead of the rogues!

So my statement still stands.

Also considering my historical stance on DPS meters in general as a measure of success or ability its in reference to that statement and that statement only. Though I am somewhat pleased that I can still maintain high DPS even after making a noob mistake as wearing my Riding Crop through the raid.

That of course brings to mind a comparison I'm making if it is actually more beneficial for hunters to be grouped with a shadow priest like caster DPS (more mana means less FD/Drinks means more time DPS) or with the druid/rogues for Leader of the Pack (more crits and heals for crits means pet and hunter stay active longer), but then I have to factor in the fact that some fights we have a paladin in melee keeping Judgement of Wisdom up (again, more mana equals longer time damaging means more DPS) and sometimes we don't. There's also the shaman group with Mana Spring/tide totem for the same reason, but you'd get wrath or air instead of grace so its somewhat self defeating. Alternatively an enhancement shaman might run grace of air or windfury, but would have healing spring instead of mana spring for melee DPS healing. Then there's also the inverse of Trueshot Aura/wolf buffs for melee DPS as opposed to having a pure DPS pet without support abilities for the group.

Lots of useful information can be gleaned from these reports. Sorry if I don't post everything I look into all the time. That'd just be tedious for me.

**Sajier** · 10-08-2007, 01:13 PM

My biggest issue with SW: D atm is that fully buffed I am running just about 9k hp. If I crit a SW: D when fully buffed it hits for around 3-3.5k, and that takes 1/3rd of my health and in random damage fights (Gruul, Mags, VR if people aren't paying attention) I don't feel comfortable risking a possible 3k hit. I think that once I get some better gear with some more HP on it, I will feel more comfortable throwing SW: D without hesitation, but right now I am just wanting to make sure things go smoothly.

Besides, I have been a shadow priest for less than 2 months, I still am getting used to keeping my DoTs up all the time

**Tarenth** · 10-08-2007, 02:30 PM

That's a vicious cycle really. If you get better gear it will probably be better damage gear in addition to more stamina. Therefore you will have more hp, but you will also do more damage with SW: Death. More damage done means you want more hp and more hp from better gear means you'll do more damage.

Unless you break the cycle and change out better damage gear for better hp gear, but that wouldn't make much sense.

**Sajier** · 10-08-2007, 03:39 PM

Actually I have started to do that a bit. I am currently sitting at about 7k unbuffed HP and about 1170 +shadow damage. If I swapped into all damage I drop to about 6.5k hp but get to 1225 damage.

I still want to get myself to about 8k unbuffed HP with 1250 shadow damage, and at that point I will feel more comfortable throwing SW: D.

Gnopaine · 10-08-2007, 03:44 PM

I liked it when you spelled it SW

better.

Pistos · 10-08-2007, 04:55 PM

I agree Gno - SW

is much better!

ikonic · 10-09-2007, 05:11 PM

As a BT/Hyjal SP, SW

is always a situational spell. There are fights where some SP abilities are not effective. There are fights where SW

is high risk, due to the fact that there are encounters that does room wide or random DD attacks that make the SW

damage enough to kill a SP. Doing sub-standard DPS is better than getting yourself killed and doing nothing at all. SPs deaths also affect mana users since they no longer will have VT returns.

25 man raids are all about consistent and responsible DPS, some fights require higher DPS than others, but if you stroke your e-peen on the damage meters, you will not make it far.

If you are a shadowpriest and need some tips on DPS, gear, raid boss responsibilities, etc, i suggest www.shadowpriest.com

10-08-2007, 01:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing My biggest issue with SW: D atm is that fully buffed I am running just about 9k hp. If I crit a SW: D when fully buffed it hits for around 3-3.5k, and that takes 1/3rd of my health and in random damage fights (Gruul, Mags, VR if people aren't paying attention) I don't feel comfortable risking a possible 3k hit. I think that once I get some better gear with some more HP on it, I will feel more comfortable throwing SW: D without hesitation, but right now I am just wanting to make sure things go smoothly. Besides, I have been a shadow priest for less than 2 months, I still am getting used to keeping my DoTs up all the time __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum Last edited by Sajier; 10-08-2007 at 03:40 PM.

10-08-2007, 02:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,172	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing That's a vicious cycle really. If you get better gear it will probably be better damage gear in addition to more stamina. Therefore you will have more hp, but you will also do more damage with SW: Death. More damage done means you want more hp and more hp from better gear means you'll do more damage. Unless you break the cycle and change out better damage gear for better hp gear, but that wouldn't make much sense. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

10-08-2007, 03:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Actually I have started to do that a bit. I am currently sitting at about 7k unbuffed HP and about 1170 +shadow damage. If I swapped into all damage I drop to about 6.5k hp but get to 1225 damage. I still want to get myself to about 8k unbuffed HP with 1250 shadow damage, and at that point I will feel more comfortable throwing SW: D. __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

10-08-2007, 03:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
Gnopaine Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 105	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing I liked it when you spelled it SW better. __________________ Gnopaine - Level 70 Warlock (Affliction) Scarpia (aka Edbane) - Level 70 Paladin (Holy) Ripoffron - Level 1 Auction House Hustler

10-08-2007, 04:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
Pistos Join Date: May 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 35 Posts: 949	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing I agree Gno - SW is much better! __________________ 70 Shadow Priest (and other assorted distractions)

10-09-2007, 05:11 PM	#22 (permalink)
ikonic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 1,326	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing As a BT/Hyjal SP, SW is always a situational spell. There are fights where some SP abilities are not effective. There are fights where SW is high risk, due to the fact that there are encounters that does room wide or random DD attacks that make the SW damage enough to kill a SP. Doing sub-standard DPS is better than getting yourself killed and doing nothing at all. SPs deaths also affect mana users since they no longer will have VT returns. 25 man raids are all about consistent and responsible DPS, some fights require higher DPS than others, but if you stroke your e-peen on the damage meters, you will not make it far. If you are a shadowpriest and need some tips on DPS, gear, raid boss responsibilities, etc, i suggest www.shadowpriest.com __________________

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