10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing

**Sajier** · 10-03-2007, 09:42 AM

WWS Stats

Gruul's Lair
Very sloppy night guys. It shouldn't take us 6 attempts to down Maulgar at this point. We need to tighten up and reduce the mistakes. All of us (that means me!).

Maulgar Loot -
[Bladespire Warbands] - Baylord
[Mantle of Malorne] - Gaiaghost
[Cyclone Shoulderpads] - Violacea

Gruul Loot -
[Axe of the Gronn Lords] - Jest
[Cowl of Nature's Breath] - Gaiaghost
[Demon Stalker Greaves] - Jest
[Voidheart Leggings] - Tinkk

Serpentshrine Cavern
Guys this was much better than Gruul's. Other than one early pull while a tank was AFK, we did very well, and know what we have to do to get to Lurker. Everyone please re-read the strats today for Lurker and be ready. We will be headed in there sometime tonight either after Mags or if we don't have enough tanks, it will be our first stop.

Trash Loot -
[Wildfury Greatstaff] - Drewidism
[Serpentshrine Shuriken]x2 - Gaviin and Aeryck

Gollaen · 10-03-2007, 02:27 PM

Anyone got some new dice for me? :-P

**Tarenth** · 10-03-2007, 02:59 PM

699 Sustained DPS isn't too shabby considering I spent all of the Gruul portion using my riding crop. ^_^

6 attemps at Maulgar is pretty bad, but it's balanced by the fact that we had an odd composition, took Gruul down in 2 attempts (first attempt had screwy tanks), and was able to clear SSC to Lurker without wipes and one really really close call.

All in all I call that a good night and props to everyone for sticking it out.

On "The Lurker Below" fight I suggest we change positioning slightly to place hunters on the outer islands. The inner ring is somewhat restricted and I spent a good deal of time running around trying to get a good position where I was out of my dead zone. Furthermore, hunters can have traps down to catch the archers when they spawn (originally I put it to the hunters to do that for the guardians, but my spawn point was in my deadzone and I was too far away)

On another note related directly to hunters is I'd like for the hunters to start using the 'lining' technique with their quivers and ammo bags when they prep for raids.

Basically that means if you aren't using top of the line ammo for all your shots (which is ridiculously expensive) you at least keep 1-4 stacks at the bottom of your quiver so you can switch in for high DPS, low threat management situations.

That means if you are primarily using [Blackflight Arrow] you keep a few stacks of [Warden's Arrow] at the bottom of your quiver or if you are using [Ironbite Shell] you have a few stacks of [Felbane Slugs] or even [Adamantite Shells] to use when needed at the bottom of your ammo bag. If we ever get around to getting Scale of the Sands rep we can upgrade to Timeless ammo.

This is because a fight like "Lurker Below" operates just like Ragnaros where it doesn't matter how much threat you generate he doesn't move an inch from the center. More DPS means less submerging, less submerging means less adds, less adds means faster and easier kills.

**Jest** · 10-04-2007, 12:57 PM

I try to use [Ironbite Shell] on trash and then use [Adamantite Shells] during the entire boss encounter in our raids.

Wintrow · 10-05-2007, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajier

We need to tighten up and reduce the mistakes. All of us (that means me!).

Especially you!

TeaLeaf · 10-06-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajier

WWS Stats

Sorry but I love WWS logs and spend many a happy hour pouring over them as Co-Raid Leader & Ranged DPS Leader for my main's guild. So I had a quick peek at them and was pleased to see your shadow priests near the top of the DPS pile - they rock in raids - but some damn rogue beat them.

To improve their DPS even further can I suggest that both Pistos & Sajier start to include Shadow Word Death in their rotation? Yes it hits you for some damage, but then you've got VE up which then heals it back anyway. It would make a significant improvement to your DPS figures and keep you ahead of the rogues!

Ranged DPS FTW.

TL.

Pistos · 10-06-2007, 09:43 PM

I've been planning on working SWD in more. The more comfortable we get with these fights the more I will. Just have to make sure I'm constantly checking my health. A big kick back on a crit is a sizeable percentage of health and an ill timed cave-in, etc. would not be good.

Thanks for the reminder though

.

**Sajier** · 10-07-2007, 01:27 PM

Part of it also is the fact that our HPs aren't in the 9-10k unbuffed yet. I don't want to risk it in a random damage fight like Gruul or Mags.

On Lurker and Maulgar I don't hesitate. However I was tanking on Maulgar this week... *cries*

**Tarenth** · 10-07-2007, 04:09 PM

I find is mildly amusing that Tea comments on Aeryck beating Sajier and Pistos, but no comment is made on me beating them at all.

On an unrelated note I got to see some of the warlocks from Paranoid in action on Friday and they were having a great time in Karazhan. Laughing, joking, fooling around, and beating everyone in DPS at a rate of 2:1. This is also factoring that they stepped out several times so other people could have a shot at loot from some of the bosses. What the hell are they doing so different that they can perform half-assed and school everyone so readily?!? O.o

Gnopaine · 10-07-2007, 04:34 PM

Probably 0/21/40 shadow with 30% crit rate from gear? Especially if there are 2 of them with a shadow priest.

Anyway, that is what I've heard the raiding path is for warlocks that are stepping into Hyjal and BT. They just blow everything up with monster crits, and by then the tanks are geared so they can absorb the aggro. They also don't need to think very much with that spec -- Shadow Bolt spam all night long. Hence the successful screwing around.

Gaviin · 10-07-2007, 04:36 PM

Tarenth, are you aware of how pathetic you sound? Just wondering. This is why I hate these WWS reports. Makes us focus on the wrong things.

**Sajier** · 10-07-2007, 05:18 PM

Agreed, the focus shouldn't be on who beat whom, it should be on effective use of abilities, show who is or isn't avoiding damage from things they should, and also allow people to compare themselves to others in their same class and see how they do it.

This isn't a damage contest, its meant as a learning tool.

Dryne · 10-07-2007, 07:18 PM

]]]``````n 7y777``

Pistos · 10-07-2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dryne

]]]``````n 7y777``

I'm not sure what this means, but I'm inclined to agree with it.

Gaiaghost07 · 10-07-2007, 09:22 PM

Tarenth, sadly I must agree here, concentrate on other things. I like to look at the big crits--or how often i crit sometimes during the fight just because, it still kinda shocks me how much different BC is than pre-bc. but i don't like, live off in the time of zomg.

I'm sure that half those KZ fights they were afk because it is in fact, KZ.--They work together very well, and everyone can get their job done with few errors. That is where they are strong and able to do what they have done so far....i hope that answers your questions

10-03-2007, 09:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing WWS Stats Gruul's Lair Very sloppy night guys. It shouldn't take us 6 attempts to down Maulgar at this point. We need to tighten up and reduce the mistakes. All of us (that means me!). Maulgar Loot - [Bladespire Warbands] - Baylord [Mantle of Malorne] - Gaiaghost [Cyclone Shoulderpads] - Violacea Gruul Loot - [Axe of the Gronn Lords] - Jest [Cowl of Nature's Breath] - Gaiaghost [Demon Stalker Greaves] - Jest [Voidheart Leggings] - Tinkk Serpentshrine Cavern Guys this was much better than Gruul's. Other than one early pull while a tank was AFK, we did very well, and know what we have to do to get to Lurker. Everyone please re-read the strats today for Lurker and be ready. We will be headed in there sometime tonight either after Mags or if we don't have enough tanks, it will be our first stop. Trash Loot - [Wildfury Greatstaff] - Drewidism [Serpentshrine Shuriken]x2 - Gaviin and Aeryck __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

10-03-2007, 02:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gollaen Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 171	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Anyone got some new dice for me? :-P __________________ Koliana: 70 Feral Druid Tarma: 70 Enhancement Shaman I had it all! I had it all and then I lost it. Lost... all gone... like... my mind. My mind is like... cheese. I like cheese.

10-03-2007, 02:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,172	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing 699 Sustained DPS isn't too shabby considering I spent all of the Gruul portion using my riding crop. ^_^ 6 attemps at Maulgar is pretty bad, but it's balanced by the fact that we had an odd composition, took Gruul down in 2 attempts (first attempt had screwy tanks), and was able to clear SSC to Lurker without wipes and one really really close call. All in all I call that a good night and props to everyone for sticking it out. On "The Lurker Below" fight I suggest we change positioning slightly to place hunters on the outer islands. The inner ring is somewhat restricted and I spent a good deal of time running around trying to get a good position where I was out of my dead zone. Furthermore, hunters can have traps down to catch the archers when they spawn (originally I put it to the hunters to do that for the guardians, but my spawn point was in my deadzone and I was too far away) On another note related directly to hunters is I'd like for the hunters to start using the 'lining' technique with their quivers and ammo bags when they prep for raids. Basically that means if you aren't using top of the line ammo for all your shots (which is ridiculously expensive) you at least keep 1-4 stacks at the bottom of your quiver so you can switch in for high DPS, low threat management situations. That means if you are primarily using [Blackflight Arrow] you keep a few stacks of [Warden's Arrow] at the bottom of your quiver or if you are using [Ironbite Shell] you have a few stacks of [Felbane Slugs] or even [Adamantite Shells] to use when needed at the bottom of your ammo bag. If we ever get around to getting Scale of the Sands rep we can upgrade to Timeless ammo. This is because a fight like "Lurker Below" operates just like Ragnaros where it doesn't matter how much threat you generate he doesn't move an inch from the center. More DPS means less submerging, less submerging means less adds, less adds means faster and easier kills. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

10-04-2007, 12:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jest Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Age: 39 Posts: 360	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing I try to use [Ironbite Shell] on trash and then use [Adamantite Shells] during the entire boss encounter in our raids. __________________ Jest 70 Dwarf Surv. Hunter Okto 70 Draenei Enhanc. Shammy Zaz 70 Night Elf Prot. Warrior Voran 68 Dwarf Shadow Priest

10-06-2007, 09:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pistos Join Date: May 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 35 Posts: 949	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing I've been planning on working SWD in more. The more comfortable we get with these fights the more I will. Just have to make sure I'm constantly checking my health. A big kick back on a crit is a sizeable percentage of health and an ill timed cave-in, etc. would not be good. Thanks for the reminder though . __________________ 70 Shadow Priest (and other assorted distractions)

10-07-2007, 01:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Part of it also is the fact that our HPs aren't in the 9-10k unbuffed yet. I don't want to risk it in a random damage fight like Gruul or Mags. On Lurker and Maulgar I don't hesitate. However I was tanking on Maulgar this week... cries __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

10-07-2007, 04:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,172	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing I find is mildly amusing that Tea comments on Aeryck beating Sajier and Pistos, but no comment is made on me beating them at all. On an unrelated note I got to see some of the warlocks from Paranoid in action on Friday and they were having a great time in Karazhan. Laughing, joking, fooling around, and beating everyone in DPS at a rate of 2:1. This is also factoring that they stepped out several times so other people could have a shot at loot from some of the bosses. What the hell are they doing so different that they can perform half-assed and school everyone so readily?!? O.o __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

10-07-2007, 04:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gnopaine Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 105	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Probably 0/21/40 shadow with 30% crit rate from gear? Especially if there are 2 of them with a shadow priest. Anyway, that is what I've heard the raiding path is for warlocks that are stepping into Hyjal and BT. They just blow everything up with monster crits, and by then the tanks are geared so they can absorb the aggro. They also don't need to think very much with that spec -- Shadow Bolt spam all night long. Hence the successful screwing around. __________________ Gnopaine - Level 70 Warlock (Affliction) Scarpia (aka Edbane) - Level 70 Paladin (Holy) Ripoffron - Level 1 Auction House Hustler

10-07-2007, 04:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gaviin Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 28 Posts: 776	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Tarenth, are you aware of how pathetic you sound? Just wondering. This is why I hate these WWS reports. Makes us focus on the wrong things. __________________ 70 Ninja Last edited by Gaviin; 10-07-2007 at 04:54 PM.

10-07-2007, 05:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sajier Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saint Louis, MO Age: 30 Posts: 1,645	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Agreed, the focus shouldn't be on who beat whom, it should be on effective use of abilities, show who is or isn't avoiding damage from things they should, and also allow people to compare themselves to others in their same class and see how they do it. This isn't a damage contest, its meant as a learning tool. __________________ Sajier/\|TG-Irr\|Sajier - WoW Shadow Priest and BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic TG WoW Home Page \| TG Required Reading \| The Irregulars \| Irregulars Forum

10-07-2007, 07:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dryne Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 32	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing ]]]``````n 7y777``

10-07-2007, 09:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
Gaiaghost07 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, TN Age: 21 Posts: 193	Re: 10/2 AAR: Gruul and SSC testing Tarenth, sadly I must agree here, concentrate on other things. I like to look at the big crits--or how often i crit sometimes during the fight just because, it still kinda shocks me how much different BC is than pre-bc. but i don't like, live off in the time of zomg. I'm sure that half those KZ fights they were afk because it is in fact, KZ.--They work together very well, and everyone can get their job done with few errors. That is where they are strong and able to do what they have done so far....i hope that answers your questions __________________ 70 Feral Druid: Gaiaghost 70 Fire Mage: Nalfein 70 Frost Mage: Redazan 70 Arms/Fury Warrior: Drantor 70 Beast M. Hunter: Brualst 70 Holy Paladin: Valgar 63 Master M.Hunter: Drizztnguen 60 Combat Rogue: Slyone ...and many more

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