The Self contained Fridge Computer

TOOmuchMcLovin · 03-17-2008, 01:14 AM

Well I was working on the heat numbers for gfx card I brought up my fridge computer. Actually think I got more posts about it than the gfx card numbers lol...maybe

anyway because I'm collecting info on this and ideas, heres a thread for it.

For those who didn't see the other posts heres the basic concept at this point.

We take your everyday computer, slap it in a minifridge. duct tape seal and leave running till your next mainentence.

Pros
COol = uber overclock
cool = longer life for any chip that is open to thermal damage, cpu,mem, gfx.
cooL=Stability.
CoOl= speed, for every degree you knock off you increase the quality of the metals in the chips trnsfer current, aka information/commands. (and if u can get it to -250 or something you get superconductor) but this is actually nominal compared to overclocking.
Cool= not saying uber as above LOL I'm writing a nerd thread so I'm allowed

CONS
Possible noise
Possible condensation (but i think I have that figured out)
Hooking up external devices through cables
Wireless problems (I go lan personally)
power consumtion of fridge

Others?

I'll post more info in the morning its late

**sordavie** · 03-17-2008, 01:46 AM

A fridge's compressor isn't meant to run continuously. Since your computer will output heat continuously, the compressor will run constantly. Your fridge will die quickly.

**UnDeaD77** · 03-17-2008, 01:59 AM

I'd give that compressor maybe a month at the most before it locks up. It would be around 300 degrees, not even the condenser fan would save it.

Acreo Aeneas · 03-17-2008, 02:05 AM

Why a fridge computer?

Why not nitrogen-based cooling setup instead?

I would think they both would cost about the same and involve similar dangers (minus the part where you freeze and break off whole fingers).

TOOmuchMcLovin · 03-17-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sordavie

A fridge's compressor isn't meant to run continuously. Since your computer will output heat continuously, the compressor will run constantly. Your fridge will die quickly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnDeaD77

I'd give that compressor maybe a month at the most before it locks up. It would be around 300 degrees, not even the condenser fan would save it.

HMMMMMM

THAT did not accur to me. Valid point. I guess it will be part of the experiment.

So how do I offset this? The cpu will be watered cooled, so that will offset the heat coming off it. But I wonder if the northbridge and gfx will be enough to heat up an entire fridge. "constantly" or will it find a happy medium. Maybe I'll have to change to mini freezer LOL

Thanks for pointing that con out, it honestly didn't cross my mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Why a fridge computer?

Why not nitrogen-based cooling setup instead?

I would think they both would cost about the same and involve similar dangers (minus the part where you freeze and break off whole fingers).

ROFL I lack the ability to make the cooling tubes :P LOL

-[MG]- Tarkovsky74 · 03-17-2008, 02:13 PM

Unless you're running your processor 100% 24/7, your pc will only be outputting significant heat while you are gaming, even then it's only 100w or something. I don't think the water cooling will add anything, it's still the same heat you need to get rid of.

The compressor will cycle unless your fridge gets very warm, turn the cooling up (more)before you game, then lower it a bit (less) when gaming to reduce stress on the fridge components.

Good luck!

**Sir-Nerd** · 03-17-2008, 03:53 PM

Make a fishtank out of your computer.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

**Tonk** · 03-17-2008, 05:21 PM

if the cpu is water cooled... you are still putting off the same amount of heat!! it is just heating the water instead, you still have x amount of watts of thermal displacement

TOOmuchMcLovin · 03-17-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonk

if the cpu is water cooled... you are still putting off the same amount of heat!! it is just heating the water instead, you still have x amount of watts of thermal displacement

The reason for counting it. is the total amount of heat at any one moment should be leveled off. With the water being cold, i dont anticipate SPIKES in the ammount of heat being put off from the radiator, as opposed to the gfx that jumps 20 degrees in moments when i ramp it up. I anticipate it will take the cpu a long time to warm the water above nominal running temp.

*not sure if i'm explaining it right lol*

TOOmuchMcLovin · 03-17-2008, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir-Nerd

Make a fishtank out of your computer.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

I was wondering about submerging into non conductive liquid, couldn't think of any :P

**Rincewind** · 03-17-2008, 06:23 PM

You know, I don't think this will turn out well for the above stated reasons. I think you'd be better off spending money on a phase exchange or chilled water set up. A fridge compressor is not meant to cool a space heater.

check out http://www.xtremesystems.org , they have forums dedicated to a sundry of cooling solutions.

**A_Grounded_Pilot** · 03-17-2008, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir-Nerd

Make a fishtank out of your computer.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

[nerd mode] That, my friend, is the coolest thing, I have ever seen. [/nerd mode]

**Bamboo** · 03-17-2008, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOOmuchMcLovin

I was wondering about submerging into non conductive liquid, couldn't think of any :P

I have seen a bunch of articles on people putting it in like cooking oil. Google is your friend.

And at 1st I thought that site above was cool, till I built my own rig on there and this is what it said
System Price: $3,268.29

Ummmmmm........no.
I built mine for about $1500.

TOOmuchMcLovin · 03-17-2008, 07:32 PM

Its mostly a hobby project. First ideas was running electrically insulated copper tubing compressor, basically a refrigirated board. However after one botched try i couldn't come up with a solution to water settling on the board. The solution is sealing the board contacts and leads, however I have yet to figure a way to do that, without making the board and parts one unit, thus unable to replace parts or upgrade. I did think however, it may be possible to combine this idea with the mineral oil setup mentioned above.

I'm still gonna try this, I've seen it done on enterprise setups, with our IT lab being cooled to 40 degrees for a server farm. Same idea much smaller scale.

ScratchMonkey · 03-17-2008, 08:35 PM

I saw these guys at an Embedded Systems show a couple years ago:

http://www.spraycool.com/

Alas, they target the military, where they can get a big chunk of money from targeted sales effort. They didn't seem to have any interest in retail sales.

03-17-2008, 01:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
TOOmuchMcLovin Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 353	The Self contained Fridge Computer Well I was working on the heat numbers for gfx card I brought up my fridge computer. Actually think I got more posts about it than the gfx card numbers lol...maybe anyway because I'm collecting info on this and ideas, heres a thread for it. For those who didn't see the other posts heres the basic concept at this point. We take your everyday computer, slap it in a minifridge. duct tape seal and leave running till your next mainentence. Pros COol = uber overclock cool = longer life for any chip that is open to thermal damage, cpu,mem, gfx. cooL=Stability. CoOl= speed, for every degree you knock off you increase the quality of the metals in the chips trnsfer current, aka information/commands. (and if u can get it to -250 or something you get superconductor) but this is actually nominal compared to overclocking. Cool= not saying uber as above LOL I'm writing a nerd thread so I'm allowed CONS Possible noise Possible condensation (but i think I have that figured out) Hooking up external devices through cables Wireless problems (I go lan personally) power consumtion of fridge Others? I'll post more info in the morning its late __________________ Bf2142-TOOmuchMcLovin America's Army- -=No.Ob=-McLovin Bf2-TOOmuchSEX

03-17-2008, 01:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
sordavie Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 27 Posts: 1,893	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer A fridge's compressor isn't meant to run continuously. Since your computer will output heat continuously, the compressor will run constantly. Your fridge will die quickly. __________________

03-17-2008, 01:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
UnDeaD77 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Age: 22 Posts: 5,757	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer I'd give that compressor maybe a month at the most before it locks up. It would be around 300 degrees, not even the condenser fan would save it. __________________

03-17-2008, 02:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 3,693	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer Why a fridge computer? Why not nitrogen-based cooling setup instead? I would think they both would cost about the same and involve similar dangers (minus the part where you freeze and break off whole fingers). __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th Member "People usually see me and ask if I speak Chinese. I respond by asking if they speak American."

03-17-2008, 02:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
-[MG]- Tarkovsky74 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: England Posts: 8	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer Unless you're running your processor 100% 24/7, your pc will only be outputting significant heat while you are gaming, even then it's only 100w or something. I don't think the water cooling will add anything, it's still the same heat you need to get rid of. The compressor will cycle unless your fridge gets very warm, turn the cooling up (more)before you game, then lower it a bit (less) when gaming to reduce stress on the fridge components. Good luck!

03-17-2008, 03:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sir-Nerd Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In the middle of North Ohio Posts: 920	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer Make a fishtank out of your computer. http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php __________________ Men are basically smart or dumb and lazy or ambitious. The dumb and ambitious ones are dangerous and I get rid of them. The dumb and lazy ones I give mundane duties. The smart ambitious ones I put on my staff. The smart and lazy ones I make my commanders. When you can't run anymore, you crawl and when you can't do that, you find someone to carry you.

03-17-2008, 05:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tonk Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Luck, WI USA Age: 22 Posts: 2,802	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer if the cpu is water cooled... you are still putting off the same amount of heat!! it is just heating the water instead, you still have x amount of watts of thermal displacement __________________ -Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely, in an attractive and well preserved body; but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a beer in the other, body totally worn out screaming "YEEEHAW, WHAT A RIDE!!!" - my grandpa -My New Rig: cpu: AMD 6400+ 3.2ghz dual core mobo: Asus Crosshair ram: 8gb (4x2gb) geil exotera 4-4-4-12 video card MSI 8800GTS 512mb (g92) Vista:x64 Laptop: Dell i9300 2.16ghz-2gb ram-6800-17" 1920x1200 -Toasty/Tonk/Chair http://tgtonk.notlong.com

03-17-2008, 06:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rincewind Join Date: May 2005 Location: Casting useless spells in Oklahoma. Age: 27 Posts: 2,716	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer You know, I don't think this will turn out well for the above stated reasons. I think you'd be better off spending money on a phase exchange or chilled water set up. A fridge compressor is not meant to cool a space heater. check out http://www.xtremesystems.org , they have forums dedicated to a sundry of cooling solutions. __________________ ~~ Veritas simplex oratio est ~~ No matter how far a wizard goes, he will always come back for his hat. --T. Pratchett <---- You know you're getting old when you rely on your forum meta-data to remind you how old you are. Required Reading for all TG sandboxers

03-17-2008, 07:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
TOOmuchMcLovin Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 353	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer Its mostly a hobby project. First ideas was running electrically insulated copper tubing compressor, basically a refrigirated board. However after one botched try i couldn't come up with a solution to water settling on the board. The solution is sealing the board contacts and leads, however I have yet to figure a way to do that, without making the board and parts one unit, thus unable to replace parts or upgrade. I did think however, it may be possible to combine this idea with the mineral oil setup mentioned above. I'm still gonna try this, I've seen it done on enterprise setups, with our IT lab being cooled to 40 degrees for a server farm. Same idea much smaller scale. __________________ Bf2142-TOOmuchMcLovin America's Army- -=No.Ob=-McLovin Bf2-TOOmuchSEX

03-17-2008, 08:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 3,834	Re: The Self contained Fridge Computer I saw these guys at an Embedded Systems show a couple years ago: http://www.spraycool.com/ Alas, they target the military, where they can get a big chunk of money from targeted sales effort. They didn't seem to have any interest in retail sales. __________________ Sig

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