Microsoft Confirms Windows 7 for 2010 (17 screenshots)??? - Page 2

SharinganTH1422 · 05-27-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bamboo

I do agree though that Linux is looking better and better, and actually have the 64 bit Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron live CD in my optical drive right now. I am trying to talk the wife into getting a PS3 so I can install Ubuntu on it and not have to buy her a new laptop

I'm guessing that's not the only reason you want a PS3...

ScratchMonkey · 05-27-2008, 02:39 PM

No OS is safe if you don't follow good practices. But Windows makes it harder to follow good practices. LUA in Vista attempted to address that but MS implemented it in a way that made it desirable to just disable it instead of configuring it correctly. (*nux has long had LUA and I've found it much less intrusive in those OS's.)

Mac is now BSD-based and inherits the *nix LUA model.

LUA doesn't prevent all attacks. It bottles them in user space so they can't directly corrupt the whole system. You need a combination of a user-launched attack and a privilege escalation vulnerability to put the whole system at risk, and that's a higher bar than a system where one commonly runs with Administrator rights all the time.

**=DdogG=** · 05-27-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

There is some of the new windows server stuff that you can install with no GUI what-so-ever. It is meant to run within all the new virtual machine stuff Microsoft is investing in.

@DdogG

You don't really buy the whole version 7 thing, do you? Version 6, ie Vista, is built to be rather modular. Core components can be added and removed but the true kernel is basically going to be the same.

Even more depressing, from my perspective, is that WinFS (the new file system) is still going to be missing. That stupid registry is still going to be around. If and when WinFS is implemented you will see some real reliability gains on the windows platform.

I was just saying that is where the 7 comes from. I don't care either way.

msdz · 05-28-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bamboo

Trooper, don't come in with that crap unless you know fully about apple.
Apple releases updates constantly, and while they can be cheaper than some versions of Vista, you still have to shell out about $200 every couple of years.
And I am considering getting a MAC for my wife, so I am saying this completly level headed.
By the way, did you read the article about apple in the new issue of Wired? Might make you think twice about buying anything from them. Jobs is a tyrant the likes of which most companies would never dream of hiring. Yet he is admired by fanboys while Gates is slandered nonstop and called evil.
You did get the marketing scheme part right though. Especially the fact that the majority of their commercials depend on putting Vista down instead of actually pointing out what they can do or mentioning their many faults.
Like the fact that they put out a wireless router that secretly had N built in, and then when they decided to announce it, they say by the way it will cost an extra $15 or something to turn on a feature already in your device that you paid for. Just wait till the flack starts flying with SDK functionality next month and they are going to charge people who already bought the device to use the new features, but it is free with new phones.
You will be reading a lot about customer backlash very soon.
And I have used a MAC a lot, and I had regular feeze ups, with the little twirling pinwheel, requiring a hard crash. Just as often as I have a problem with my Vista64.
And I don't know what the hell you are talking about with the "release one every 3 years and then you HAVE to upgrade cause they disable updates for the previous"
They went 5-6 years or more between XP and Vista, and you either have whiny babies about them not releasing a new one sooner or whiny babies about them releasing it too often. Yet just a couple of years ago they stopped supporting 2000 and ME. How long do you think they should support an old crappy OS? 15 years? 20 years? I would rather them stop work on an old system and get them working on next gen stuff.
Get your facts strait before you bring fanboy fotter into the thread.
I'm sorry if this came off as ill, and not directed totally at you. Just tired of all the bitching about Microsoft. Especially in the PR.com forums by people that have not a clue in their head, and just constantly repeat crap to sound cool. They must have seen it on a Mac commercial.

I have to agree with you Bamboo. Most people hate Microsoft and Bill Gates due to jealously or envy. Yeah, All versions of windows have had some issues but Microsoft usually pulls out the iron and gets the wrinkles smoothed out. It is not all on Microsoft either, if certain hardware fails it is not microsofts fault, it is the hardware manufacturer for not getting their wrinkles out. My buddies has a MAc and claims he should have bought a computer with Vista on it cause he has freezes and hangs with it as well. I know nothing about MAC so can not say much but heard that their previous OS was better than their latest, IDK but what I heard.
Windows 7... I like the name, simple and that is so far what Microsoft has been keeping their OS's down to, simple naming except for their beta or codenamed versions which is OK. Also, if they are real screenies then what I see I like, people can't expect a drastic change to a new OS. It has to be able to have some similarities to the old so people can move to the new OS with ease but you want it new enough that they want to change as well. I mean I am sure Microsoft can come completely off with a whole new OS but then people would gripe that they have no clue on how to use it at all. At least with some simiarities they will have some isea, not everybody experiments around with a new OS. They want to just jump right in and be able to get the job done or get their game on.

Just imagine what computer life would be like without Microsoft or Bill Gates opening doors. Would be typing, chatting, playing, searching, or whatever on the internet now?? I doubt it, even if we were it may be on worse computers than what we have now. Even Linux would not have probably got started if it wasn't for Microsoft having the monopoly on the OS market. the guy who started Linux probably would not have thought a need to fight against Microsoft and Linux would have never been made.

**Bamboo** · 05-29-2008, 09:40 AM

And trooper, thanks for the negative rep.
You are the first person to give me negative. Always wondered what the little button next to it would look like (it's red by the way)
And I can't believe you told me not to post in the forums any more.

**Trooper** · 05-29-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bamboo

And trooper, thanks for the negative rep.
You are the first person to give me negative. Always wondered what the little button next to it would look like (it's red by the way)
And I can't believe you told me not to post in the forums any more.

See thats what neg rep is, its something i don't deem worthy of posting in the forums. And what i actually said was if you cant handle posts made by people dont post. But i guess i could have just done with you did and call me straight out twice now in the same post. And if you are going to cry over 1 neg rep then its really gonna be a long life for you.

ScratchMonkey · 05-29-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by msdz

Most people hate Microsoft and Bill Gates due to jealously or envy.

I don't think most people who bitch about Gates have the grey cells to understand the issues. They're much like the hippy guys who followed cute intellectual communist college girls in the 60's. Whatever it took to get in her pants. Except here it's more about looking cool around their tech friends.

I'm generally a fan of Linux but I find these kinds of advocates very embarrassing. They undermine any legitimate argument for switching to another OS. "It's more secure!" Nope, it isn't, at least not in the way most people think of it. "It's faster!" Yeah, if you don't load it up with enough bloatware to recreate the same problems that Windows has as installed by your typical ISV, with all the bundled crap. (For me, the value of Linux is in its development ecology, not its user experience.)

Now if the world were fair, all those cute college girls would adopt Linux in order to get into my pants.

**Bamboo** · 05-29-2008, 08:43 PM

Trust me, I'm not crying, I'm laughing.
And you can bet my "facts are strait", other wise I wouldn't waste my time posting.

msdz · 05-29-2008, 10:56 PM

OK, I am ringing the bell guys. IN TO YOUR CORNERS. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Giving somebody a negative rep cause they have a different opinion than what you have is not good though, that means you will be giving a bad rep to a lot of people then.

**Trooper** · 05-30-2008, 03:59 AM

I simply am stating that Microsoft is caring less and less about quality and is pushing for more and more MAC like products because Apple has a great thing going. Ive worked with Apple products and i have worked with PC products.

Ive got years of experience that is backing my statements and my views on Computer products.

And alot of things where going on around the same time Bill Gates separated from Jobs and apple. The office type program package was an apple idea, but Gates got a version running faster so he got credit for it. Unix was running since the early 60s and before, so their was an operating system. Not very user friendly for the average consumer but 99% of computers where not for the average person.

Satertek · 05-30-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Trooper

I simply am stating that Microsoft is caring less and less about quality and is pushing for more and more MAC like products because Apple has a great thing going.

Microsoft is worried? Really? Apple has only an 8% market share. They are no threat. They never have been. It's a niche market. Why would Microsoft waste so much time and resources on components only 8% of the market care about?

Steamers · 05-30-2008, 05:57 AM

I wish they would first make vista a little more stable before going on the next OS project

ScratchMonkey · 05-30-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trooper

And alot of things where going on around the same time Bill Gates separated from Jobs and apple. The office type program package was an apple idea, but Gates got a version running faster so he got credit for it.

Interesting history. I recall how Win95 was released as a poor cousin to OS/2, but IBM had terrible marketing and Gates is the King of Marketing so the inferior product won. Ship early, ship often. The lemmings will jump on the flashy product and grumble afterwards about how bad it is. (Just look at how people respond to new games. "When will it ship? I want it now! Man, this thing is buggy!")

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Unix was running since the early 60s and before, so their was an operating system. Not very user friendly for the average consumer but 99% of computers where not for the average person.

Unix requires an MMU, and that didn't appear in home computers until the late 80's. Several attempts were made to create a lightweight OS that mimicked Unix. CP/M and its successor DOS did that, and became the single-tasking single-user kernel on which the first Windows was layered.

Unix has always been freeware developer-friendly. The multi-user server components of Windows were based on VMS, a closed-source commercial OS from DEC, which fit more with the MS culture. The same open/closed split is mirrored in the file-sharing versus DRM cultures.

05-27-2008, 02:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,565	Re: Microsoft Confirms Windows 7 for 2010 (17 screenshots)??? No OS is safe if you don't follow good practices. But Windows makes it harder to follow good practices. LUA in Vista attempted to address that but MS implemented it in a way that made it desirable to just disable it instead of configuring it correctly. (nux has long had LUA and I've found it much less intrusive in those OS's.) Mac is now BSD-based and inherits the nix LUA model. LUA doesn't prevent all attacks. It bottles them in user space so they can't directly corrupt the whole system. You need a combination of a user-launched attack and a privilege escalation vulnerability to put the whole system at risk, and that's a higher bar than a system where one commonly runs with Administrator rights all the time. __________________

05-29-2008, 09:40 AM	#20 (permalink)
Bamboo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: On the beach north of Jacksonville, NC Posts: 3,400	Re: Microsoft Confirms Windows 7 for 2010 (17 screenshots)??? And trooper, thanks for the negative rep. You are the first person to give me negative. Always wondered what the little button next to it would look like (it's red by the way) And I can't believe you told me not to post in the forums any more. __________________ LINKS 10th Tactical Guard Server Rules and SOP * Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST!* Contact an Admin * Nominate your teammates for a ribbon Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -Carlos A. Urbizo-

05-29-2008, 08:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
Bamboo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: On the beach north of Jacksonville, NC Posts: 3,400	Re: Microsoft Confirms Windows 7 for 2010 (17 screenshots)??? Trust me, I'm not crying, I'm laughing. And you can bet my "facts are strait", other wise I wouldn't waste my time posting. __________________ LINKS 10th Tactical Guard Server Rules and SOP * Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST!* Contact an Admin * Nominate your teammates for a ribbon Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -Carlos A. Urbizo-

05-29-2008, 10:56 PM	#24 (permalink)
msdz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: WV Age: 36 Posts: 942	Re: Microsoft Confirms Windows 7 for 2010 (17 screenshots)??? OK, I am ringing the bell guys. IN TO YOUR CORNERS. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Giving somebody a negative rep cause they have a different opinion than what you have is not good though, that means you will be giving a bad rep to a lot of people then. __________________

05-30-2008, 03:59 AM	#25 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,877	Re: Microsoft Confirms Windows 7 for 2010 (17 screenshots)??? I simply am stating that Microsoft is caring less and less about quality and is pushing for more and more MAC like products because Apple has a great thing going. Ive worked with Apple products and i have worked with PC products. Ive got years of experience that is backing my statements and my views on Computer products. And alot of things where going on around the same time Bill Gates separated from Jobs and apple. The office type program package was an apple idea, but Gates got a version running faster so he got credit for it. Unix was running since the early 60s and before, so their was an operating system. Not very user friendly for the average consumer but 99% of computers where not for the average person.

05-30-2008, 05:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
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