Re: FRAPS hookup for Tactical Gamer

**WaterIsPoison** · 03-23-2009, 01:42 AM

Why not set up the point of contact as TG and use Supporting Member's funds to generate a SM-only fraps license agreement?

**Acreo Aeneas** · 03-23-2009, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by WaterIsPoison

Why not set up the point of contact as TG and use Supporting Member's funds to generate a SM-only fraps license agreement?

And what about the rest of us? It wouldn't be fair to exclude a large portion of the TG community from this especially given that each person would be paying their part.

**CingularDuality** · 03-23-2009, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

And what about the rest of us? It wouldn't be fair to exclude a large portion of the TG community from this especially given that each person would be paying their part.

While I don't think it's a good idea, it's certainly not a matter of fairness. You've got just as much opportunity as the next guy to become a Supporting Member.

**=Sarc=** · 03-23-2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

While I don't think it's a good idea, it's certainly not a matter of fairness. You've got just as much opportunity as the next guy to become a Supporting Member.

It may also be illegal. It may appear that one has to pay TG in order to get a discount on software. That seems shady.

**Wyzcrak** · 03-24-2009, 12:54 AM

I've got the solution.

We form a "Wyz is Awesome" subset of the community, and anyone in THAT group has dibs to a license.

Nothing shady there. Nada.

**machowner** · 03-24-2009, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by =Sarc=

It may also be illegal. It may appear that one has to pay TG in order to get a discount on software. That seems shady.

I pay rci for membership and receive discounts on travel. I'm not sure where that would be shady, Sam's, costco, etc. they have plenty of members who pay in order to receive a discount.

It seems their major concern is support. I would not be surprised if they went for setting a SM only deal. Of course they are going to want cing or someone to be the contact for support. To be honest, I've tried out different versions of FRAPS, for most part we shouldn't need support. Most of guys here know quite a bit about fraps and the program usually works as advertised.

**=Sarc=** · 03-24-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by machowner

I pay rci for membership and receive discounts on travel. I'm not sure where that would be shady, Sam's, costco, etc. they have plenty of members who pay in order to receive a discount.

It seems their major concern is support. I would not be surprised if they went for setting a SM only deal. Of course they are going to want cing or someone to be the contact for support. To be honest, I've tried out different versions of FRAPS, for most part we shouldn't need support. Most of guys here know quite a bit about fraps and the program usually works as advertised.

Sam's and Costco is a membership for access to bulk products. The discounted deals don't come from a site license that may have specific terms. These are good ideas but they should be pitched to the Fraps owners for approval.

In the end though, I was hoping for my own login to get my own Fraps support. Going through a middleman is a dealbreaker for me.

**Bamboo** · 03-24-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by =Sarc=

In the end though, I was hoping for my own login to get my own Fraps support. Going through a middleman is a dealbreaker for me.

I don't think we would need much support, but I figured if we had our own forums and we posted one common user name/password for their forums. Figured we would post help questions in our own forum first, and if no one knows the answer, you could feel free to use the login to post there. It would probably rarely need using.

**machowner** · 03-24-2009, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by =Sarc=

Sam's and Costco is a membership for access to bulk products.

That is not entirely true my friend. When my parents bought a large LCD tv, they just bought one, at big discount from what best buy, fry's, or cc had it for. When I bought tires, I just bought enough for my car, at a much lower cost than any other tire dealer. Some things are in bulk, but a vast majority of the stuff is not. A lot of groceries that my family buys are the same packages we could get at the local store, it just cost less. So for Sam's and costco, you do pay for membership for discounted items.

**=Sarc=** · 03-24-2009, 03:33 PM

Ok, what I mean is the membership is similar but that is the reason the products are cheaper. It's still a business for profit. Are you saying that TG is providing memberships for profit? Providing discounted Fraps licenses to subscribing TG members seems like a method of gaining subscribers for profit. Just because somebody else is doing something similar it doesn't mean it applies to this situation. This is about a site license where the licenses apply to a company's premises. It may not mean physical premises but we cannot assume this.

If anything, I think it would benefit all of us if Bamboo (or whoever is taking responsibility for this group buy) to work out all the details with Fraps. All that's going on here is a brainstorm of suggestions that may not even be legal for the buyers.

- Clarify if company premises can apply to members of an organization
- Ask if any alternative solutions are acceptable for a bulk discount

**machowner** · 03-24-2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by =Sarc=

Are you saying that TG is providing memberships for profit? Providing discounted Fraps licenses to subscribing TG members seems like a method of gaining subscribers for profit.

I would be highly surprised if Cing or Apophis didn't take some cash home. It is a private site, provides a product/service and takes a lot of work to keep together. I don't think I would put the time in without some compensation. So yea, I think the site works on making a profit and maximizing the benefits of membership (which leads to individuals seeing the membership as being more valuable).

Of course I don't think anyone wants to participate if it was illegal. That is probably why most of us are willing to buy fraps instead of yarring it. I'm sure Bamboo and Cing will coordinate with Fraps to keep everything legit.

**=Sarc=** · 03-24-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by machowner

I would be highly surprised if Cing or Apophis didn't take some cash home. It is a private site, provides a product/service and takes a lot of work to keep together. I don't think I would put the time in without some compensation. So yea, I think the site works on making a profit and maximizing the benefits of membership (which leads to individuals seeing the membership as being more valuable).

Of course I don't think anyone wants to participate if it was illegal. That is probably why most of us are willing to buy fraps instead of yarring it. I'm sure Bamboo and Cing will coordinate with Fraps to keep everything legit.

I would be highly surprised if they did take money home. This is a member supported community and started as one. There was a time when it tried to exist as a company for profit but that was a long time ago. It's also stated in the required reading that nobody makes a profit from this site.

I'm not sure you're getting the point of my posts. TG is a community and may not be applicable to Fraps' site licensing. Before anybody even thinks about a group buy it should be determined whether it's legally possible.

**machowner** · 03-24-2009, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by =Sarc=

I would be highly surprised if they did take money home. This is a member supported community and started as one. There was a time when it tried to exist as a company for profit but that was a long time ago. It's also stated in the required reading that nobody makes a profit from this site.

I'm not sure you're getting the point of my posts. TG is a community and may not be applicable to Fraps' site licensing. Before anybody even thinks about a group buy it should be determined whether it's legally possible.

What you don't seem to point of, is that buy making it a SM-only deal it becomes more streamlined (support, downloads) than just a public community deal. Something I think fraps will go for. As far as people getting upset about it only being for SM's, its just another benefit of being an SM, support the site and get an SM.

**Bamboo** · 03-24-2009, 05:54 PM

So guys, help me make a list of questions to ask the FRAPS guy that emailed me so we can get this sorted and answered. I think that if we point out to them it is like we are a company, and we are trying to promote leaglly buying their product over people hacking it, they should go for it. Almost all of us here have stated that we really like the product, and would be happy to buy it, but that $40 is just too much.

**=Sarc=** · 03-24-2009, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by machowner

What you don't seem to point of, is that buy making it a SM-only deal it becomes more streamlined (support, downloads) than just a public community deal. Something I think fraps will go for. As far as people getting upset about it only being for SM's, its just another benefit of being an SM, support the site and get an SM.

Fraps gets less money per license and TG gets leverage for more subscribers. That's a quantifiable loss for Fraps with potential benefit for TG. They may go for it since a site license sale is better than potentially no sale but it's really up to the legality of it. That was my point about the SM only group buy. I don't care if I'm not included because I'm no worse off than before.

Originally Posted by Bamboo

So guys, help me make a list of questions to ask the FRAPS guy that emailed me so we can get this sorted and answered. I think that if we point out to them it is like we are a company, and we are trying to promote leaglly buying their product over people hacking it, they should go for it. Almost all of us here have stated that we really like the product, and would be happy to buy it, but that $40 is just too much.

- Ask about some kind of partnership where SM's can buy Fraps at a discount if TG advertises Fraps or some other kind of compensation.
- It might be better to avoid saying TG is like a company because it isn't one.
- Definitely clarify site licensing. Maybe all the licenses have to be installed on company owned equipment. If this is only about providing a single point of contact for support then I'm sure TG can handle that.

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