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    Re: Apple responds to Windows 7 with new commericals

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    Since so few people use macs, few hackers create viruses for macs. Therefore there is no need for Mac uses to have anti virus protection. However, some people do make viruses for macs. If a mac user catches this virus there is no way to stop it.
    Wrong. There was a virus that came down with some pirate torrents earlier this year, which was quickly picked up on. Immediately, anti-virus software companies were on the case and had a fix within a few days.
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    Re: Apple responds to Windows 7 with new commericals

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    Wrong. There was a virus that came down with some pirate torrents earlier this year, which was quickly picked up on. Immediately, anti-virus software companies were on the case and had a fix within a few days.
    Macs actually have run into more than one cases of viruses. No system is totally immune to viruses.
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    It's all about market share. I don't really worry about catching a virus on my netbook (running Ubuntu) not because I think it is any more or less secure than my Windows box but because there is a lot less incentive for someone to write malware for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
    Mac/Unix/Linux users as a rule run as a "mortal" (ie. not root/Administrator) because this is a "best practice" that's been well-understood in the *nix arena for a long time. This model is called "least user access", or LUA.

    Windows grew out of the single-user DOS environment, where one "owns" the whole machine. Even when NT brought the security model of VMS, most users avoided the potential LUA capability provided and ran as Administrator, eliminating one of the most important security benefits of the new operating system. This was encouraged by the poor application architectures supplied both by MS and 3rd parties, who were still coding in "DOS mode".

    Only with the advent of Vista's UAC system was LUA enforced, and even then most users disabled it because they hated the constant prompts to see if a program was trying to usurp security. (I have mine enabled. I want to know when something is mucking with critical system settings.)

    Proper security doesn't come from a magic OS. It comes from user understanding that safety requires attention, and that it's not free. You have to put effort into it, including dismissing those nagging dialogs when you want to change your daily desktop bling. (That bling could be masking dangerous malware.)
    Let's not be giving the Mac users any props for "being security minded". That is a group that, on the whole, is about as security minded as my 2 year old.

    What the majority of them are is just ignorant and proud of it. They just accept with glee the defaults imposed on them by Daddy Steve. In this case it is mostly good.

    But if a real virus every did get into the Mac population it would devastate them. Most wouldn't know what to do without Daddy Steve telling them.
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    Re: Apple responds to Windows 7 with new commericals

    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande View Post
    Let's not be giving the Mac users any props for "being security minded". That is a group that, on the whole, is about as security minded as my 2 year old.

    What the majority of them are is just ignorant and proud of it. They just accept with glee the defaults imposed on them by Daddy Steve. In this case it is mostly good.

    But if a real virus every did get into the Mac population it would devastate them. Most wouldn't know what to do without Daddy Steve telling them.
    *Ahem* Some of them would. Especially the ones who switched over from Windows. (Provided they haven't completely forgotten what the word "virus" means. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckets View Post
    It's all about market share. I don't really worry about catching a virus on my netbook (running Ubuntu) not because I think it is any more or less secure than my Windows box but because there is a lot less incentive for someone to write malware for it.
    I recall reading that those who run big bot systems much prefer a captured Linux system to a Windows system, and would gladly trade several of their Windows zombies for a friend's Linux zombie.

    Here's one take on the matter:

    http://www.ethicalhacker.net/compone...c,555.msg2894/

    Since Mac is now based on BSD, it has a similar advantage to Linux over Windows as an uber-zombie.

    So don't get too complacent.

    When looking at Linux vulnerability reports, one thing I pay close attention to is whether it's remotely-exploitable. The vast majority of Linux vulnerabilities are privilege escalations. They allow a local user (including Apache, the web server) to get root privileges. To take advantage of those, you somehow need to become a local user. The most common vector on servers is to somehow get a shell within the web server, which isn't that hard when ordinary people are setting up web content. For example, a lot of systems get rooted because they're running old unpatched versions of forum software. Some cracker hacks the forum software to get a shell, then uses a known escalation exploit on a kernel that hasn't been updated because the system has been running two years without a reboot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
    *Ahem* Some of them would. Especially the ones who switched over from Windows. (Provided they haven't completely forgotten what the word "virus" means. )
    Yes, some mac users could be considered "security aware". But you could also say some windows users have a sense of aesthetics.
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    Re: Apple responds to Windows 7 with new commericals

    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande View Post
    Yes, some mac users could be considered "security aware". But you could also say some windows users have a sense of aesthetics.
    And there are plenty of stupid Linux users, too!
    Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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    This is a web comic I follow, one of there pages from 06

    http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060513

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    Re: Apple responds to Windows 7 with new commericals

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    This is a web comic I follow, one of there pages from 06

    http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060513


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