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    Windows Phone 7 Series

    I have to be honest, I was a sceptic when I heard about this. I have never been a fan boy of either Apple or Microsoft, but I am a huge iPhone fan. However, I also feel that Apple have been resting on their laurels a lot recently. While the software on iPhone is fine, or there abouts, and the App store is GREAT, the Hardware has been leaving me feeling cheated. Still no zoom on the camera, still no 5.0 mega pixel or above sensor, still no PROPER fully working push notification. Android has come on leaps and bounds, both in hardware and software, whereas iPhone has really stagnated. So the W7 phone came out, and WOW!



    Of the bat I was impressed. As was everyone at Lifehacker and Gizmodo. Now, these are still early days, and things are not quite finished, as there is still no Twitter support (I hate twitter so whatever) and still a few issues, but at least Microsoft have learned from the past. They are investing HUGE amounts of money into this, they are putting down minimum requirements for the hardware, and with good quality companies out there I think this will go well. The inclusion of a Xbox live button excites me. I do not even own an xbox, but they are taking the gaming side seriously. Would this be something good enough to entice me away from iPhone? Maybe, and they still have a few months to go. Hopefully it pushes Apple into pulling the iPad out of their nether-regions and perhaps working on the hardware of the new iPhone which should be in line for a August or there abouts launch. I look forward to the new iPhone press conference when ever that will be.........I like the clear screen, the over the air sync, the WORKING push and social network integration, particularly into your contact page. I like the large writing, BUT hope it can be shrunk. Here is hoping for multitasking, true flash player abilities and with the developer tool-kit out in a month, for a good App store! Looks like an exciting summer for those in the Smart phone market, this could be really special, if Microsoft can FINALLY deliver on their Live! promise...........

    I will provide some links and Gizmodos initial preview:

    Gizmodo

    Windows 7 Phone homepage

    Gizmodo Run-down

    Gizmodo Hands-on video

    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmodo
    The Interface

    It's different. The face of Windows Phone 7 is not a rectangular grid of thumbnail-sized glossy-looking icons, arranged in a pattern of 4x4 or so, like basically every other phone. No, instead, an oversized set of bright, superflat squares fill the screen. The pop of the primary colors and exaggerated flatness produces a kind of cutting-edge crispness that feels both incredibly modern and playful. Text is big, and beautiful. The result is a feat no phone has performed before: Making the iPhone's interface feel staid.

    If you want to know what it feels like, the Zune HD provides a taste: Interface elements that run off the screen; beautiful, oversized text and graphics; flipping, panning, scrolling, zooming from screen to screen; broken hearts. Some people might think it's gratuitous, but I think it feels natural and just…fun. There's an incredible sense of joie de vivre that's just not in any other phone. It makes you wish that this was aesthetic direction all of Microsoft was going in.

    Windows Phone 7 is connected in the same sense as Palm's webOS and Android, with live, real-time data seamlessly integrated, though it's even smoother and more natural. Live tiles on the Start screen are updated dynamically with fresh content, like weather, or if you've pinned a person to your Start screen, their latest status updates and photos.



    The meat of the phone is organized around a set of hubs: People, Pictures, Games, Music + Video, Marketplace, and Office. They're kind of like uber-applications, in a sense. Massive panoramas with multiple screens that are kind of like individual apps. People, for instance, isn't just your contacts, but it's also where social networking happens, with a real-time stream of updates from like Facebook and Windows Live. (No Twitter support announced yet, it appears—a kind of serious deficiency, but one we're sure will be remedied by ship date.)

    As another example, Music + Video is essentially the entirety of Zune HD's software, tucked inside of Windows Phone 7.

    A piece of interface that's shockingly not there: A desktop syncing app. If anyone would be expected to tie their phone to a desktop, you'd think it'd be Microsoft, but they're actually moving forward here. All of your contacts and info sync over the air. The only thing you'll be syncing through your computer is music and videos, which is mercifully done via the Zune client.



    Hello, Connected World

    The People hub might be the best social networking implementation yet on a phone: It's a single place to see all of your friends' status updates from multiple services in a single stream, and to update your own Facebook and Windows Live status. Needs. Twitter support. Badly. But you have neat things going on, like the aforementioned live tiles—if you really like someone or want to stalk them hardcore, you can make them a tile on your Start screen, which will update in realtime with whatever they're posting, and pull down their photos from whatever service.

    All of your contacts are synced and backed up over-the-air, Android and webOS style, and can be pulled from multiple sources, like Windows Live, Exchange, etc. Makes certain other phones seem a little antiquated with their out-of-the-box Contacts situation.
    Holy Crap! The Zune Phone!

    Microsoft's vision of Zune is finally clear with Windows Phone 7. It's an app, just like iPod is on the iPhone, though the Zune Marketplace is integrated with it into the music + video hub, not separated into its own little application. It's just like the Zune HD, so you can check out our review of that to see what it's like. But you get third-party stuff like Pandora too built-in here. Oh, and worth mentioning, there will be an FM radio in every phone (more on that in a bit).

    Pictures is a little different though, and gets its very own hub. That's because it's intensely connected—you can share photos and video with social networks straight from the hub, and via the cloud, they're kept in sync with your PC and web galleries. The latest photos your friends post also show up here. Of course, you get around with multitouch zoom and scrolling stuff too.

    Xbox, on a Phone

    I'll admit, I very nearly needed to change my pants when I saw the Xbox tile on the phone for the first time. Obviously, you're not going to be playing Halo 3 on your smartphone (at least not this year), but yes, Xbox Live on a phone! It's tied to your Live profile, and there are achievements and gamer points for the games you can play on your phone, which will be tied to games back on your Xbox 360.

    If Microsoft's got an ace-in-hole with Windows Phone 7, it's Xbox Live. Gamers have talked about a portable Xbox for years—this is the most logical way to do it. The N-Gage was ahead of its time. (Okay, and it sucked.) The DS and PSP are the past. The iPhone showed us that the future of mobile gaming was going to be on your phone, and now that just got a lot more interesting. The potential's there, and hopefully the games will be plentiful and awesome enough to meet it.
    Browser and Email

    Yes, the browser is Internet Exploder. And yes, the rumor's true: It won't be as fast as Mobile Safari. Not to start. But it's not bad! Hey, least it's got multitouch powers right out of the box. Naturally, you've got multiple browser windows, and you can pin web pages to the Start screen, like any other decent mobile browser.

    The Outlook email app makes me question how people read email on a BlackBerry. It is stunning. I never thought I'd call a mail app "stunning," but, well, it kind of is. It's the best looking mobile mail app around. Text is huge. Gorgeous. Ultrareadable. Of course, it's got Exchange support too.

    Apps, Office and Marketplace

    Remember what I said earlier about Windows Mobile being dead? So are all the apps. They won't work on WP7. Sorry Windows Mobile developers, it's for the best. Deep down, we all knew a clean break was the only way Windows Phone wasn't going to suck total balls.

    Apps will have some standardized interface elements, like the app bar on the bottom for common commands. But here's a question: Will they multitask? Um, that depends on your definition of multitasking! When we asked Joe Belfiore, the guy running Windows Phone, he alluded to live tiles and feeds as some ofthe ways that third-parties will be able to "bring value to the user, even when their apps aren't running." Which sounds to us like a big ol' "shnope," but we'll see more next month at Microsoft's developer event MIX.

    The Marketplace is where you'll buy apps. Since we've got like 6 months 'til Windows Phone 7 launches and people should be excited to develop for it, hopefully there'll be plenty of stuff to buy there on day one.

    Naturally, Bing and Bing Maps are built into the phone as the default search and maps services. They're nice, smart, and very location-focused. Bing's also used for universal search on the phone, via a dedicated Bing button. Bing Maps is multitouchable, with pinch-to-zoom. It's rich, with built-in listings with reviews and clever ways of searching for stuff. And yeah, Office! It's connected to that cloud thing, for OTA syncing and such. Business people should be happy.
    Hardware and Partnahs

    Another way the old Windows Mobile is dead is how Microsoft's handling partners and hardware situation. With Windows Mobile, a phonemaker handed Microsoft their monies, and Microsoft tossed them a software kit, and that was that. Which is why a lot of Windows Mobile phones felt and ran like crap. And why it took HTC like two years to produce the HD2, the most genuinely usable rendition of Windows Mobile ever.

    Microsoft's not building their own phones, but they're going to be picky, to say the least, with Windows Phone 7. Ballmer phrases it as "taking more accountability" for people's experiences. There's a strict set of minimum hardware requirements: a capacitive, multitouchable screen with at least four points of touch; accelerometer; 5-megapixel camera; FM radio; and the like. There are serious benchmarks that have to be met. And only chosen OEMs get to build the phones now, not like before, when anybody with $20 could get a license. The OEMs that Microsoft's announcing they're working with at launch are: Qualcomm, LG, Samsung, Garmin Asus, HTC, HP, Dell, Sony Ericsson, and Toshiba. AT&T's their "premiere partner" in the US (dammit). (Take note people! Premiere does not mean exclusive!)

    Every phone will have a Bing (search) button and a Start button. Custom skins, like the minor miracles HTC worked, are now banned. The message to hardware makers is clear: It's a Windows Phone, you're just putting it together. Basically, phonemakers get to decide the shape of the phone, and whether or not there's a keyboard.

    One other word on hardware, in a manner of speaking. Hardware it won't work with? Macs. Which is kind of stupid to us—a lot of the people Microsoft wants to use Windows Phone 7, like college students, have been going Mac in droves. You wanna lure them back Microsoft? Let them use your phone with any OS.

    The Big Picture

    Windows Phone 7 Series is, from what we've seen, exactly what Microsoft's phone should be. It's actually good. It brings together a bunch of different Microsoft services—Zune, Xbox, Bing—in a way that actually makes sense and just works. But there's a real, lingering question: Are they too late? The first Windows Phone 7 Series…phone—goddamn that is a stupid name—won't hit until the end of this year. That's more than three years after the iPhone, two years after Android, hell, even a year after Palm, the industry's sickly but persistent dwarf.

    History is on Microsoft's side here—we know what happened the last time Apple had a massive head start. Microsoft is, if nothing else, incredibly patient. Remember the first Xbox? Back when it was crazy that Microsoft was getting into videogames? It's cost them about a billion dollars and taken nearly 10 years, but now, with Xbox Live, Project Natal and their massive software ecosystem, they arguably have the most impressive gaming console you can buy. That was a pet project. Now, mobile is the future of computing. What do you think Microsoft will sink into that?

    The mobile picture is now officially a three-way dance: Apple, Google, and Microsoft. The same people who dominate desktop computing. Everybody else is screwed. Former Palm CEO Ed Colligan famously said a few years ago: "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in." That's precisely what's just happened. Phones are the new PCs. PC guys are the new phone guys.

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    OHHHHH YEAAA windows 7 is suppose to be very huge on their next mobile OS, 6.5 which is out currently. I ordered a LG expo back in january an still havent recived my cell lol. heard backorders back until july... ((( an could possibly be discontinued. on other hand 7.0 mobile which I am looking forward to shall have Microsoft XNA technology just for the game developers which is a set of runtime tools for the games welcome gamers! lol... yea if you can see wuts happening it is definately gonna happen through microsoft, the crowd hasn't quite hit yet but as your saying they will just walk in lol processors hitting mainstream at 1GHZ... just think soon we shall have 3 GHZ phones lol

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    If THIS video is genuine and lives up to its promise I might be sold..........

    http://gizmodo.com/5472235/windows-p...w-what-we-dont

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    Sweet, more competition is never a bad thing
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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    VERY interesting video of the User Interface, looks nice..............

    http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Laura...Hands-on-Demo/

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    Engadget just posted this:
    Editorial: Engadget on Windows Phone 7 Series

    All the Engadget guys give their thoughts on it, and looks really good.



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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    This is pretty much the pattern.

    Apple comes out with a beta of what it should be. It is beautiful and it just works. Limitations abound but because it works so well most don't care.

    Microsoft "embraces and extends" Apples vision. They see why Apple is good but also sees why Apple fails at the system level. Microsoft then gets the tools out that fixes those system failures so developers can create the actual good stuff.

    Microsoft would suck without Apple giving them good prototypes.

    Apple is so married to their vision they find it hard to fix anything at the system level.

    But now there is Google. I don't know how they will work into the technology lifecycle. Maybe they will replace Apple when Jobs dies. Or maybe they will replace Microsoft when Jobs dies and Microsoft must split up. It should be interesting.

    BTW. If mobile 7 actually is good (and it might be a flop) just think what will happen when OEM's start making real tablets that use mobile 7.
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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    yea i need phone now though an it feels like a big hold now that Im in the mix of choosing with phones out of stock an knowing windows 7 is dated for expected release q4 2010 to early next year. what types of phones are you all into atm? tweaks yet lately ?

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    Well I think Ill be looking at this when the time comes....I qualify for a hardware upgrade with my SP in Sept and I DO NOT want to keep an IPhone...I'll have to keep my eye on this MS phone

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    Same, I am due an upgrade on my contract in July/August, so I might be tempted to wait. However, while Orange has been confirmed as a partner, my network is o2, and sure I would be willing to change over perhaps, but Windows need the hype of this to be real. Also, the new iPhone (4G?) has not been launched and Apple NEED to do something drastic there, and I am interested to find out what they have come up with. The UK has not been given ANY launch data at all, and if I am correct we still do not even have the Zune HD!? The touch screen technology looks the same, is it smooth on the zune? Compared to say the ipod touch/iphone? Maybe someone with a Zune can help me on that?

    In the mean time, here is another Gizmodo interesting WP7 series link:

    Windows Phone 7 Series Strategy

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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    I just a got a Droid, so Beat with a Windows 7 Phone is a ways off. I really do like the look of the interface, it's not completely icon-based and has that beautiful white text. I'm still very tempted to get a Zune HD, but I've just decided to stick with my 80GB iPod Classic for now.

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    There is no copy and paste! Massive failure.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/w...opy-and-paste/
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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    Yea, that is umm, not smart.




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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    No copy and paste at release, but they say it will come.
    In bigger news, this is pretty cool:
    Taking the Windows Phone 7 Series emulator for a test drive (video)

    Let us know if any of you give it a try. The video shows a lot if you don't want to mess with it yourself.



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    Re: Windows Phone 7 Series

    Hmmm, where are they saying the copy/paste will come? I fail to understand microsoft following Apple's closed hardware model. Also, I want you to be right, copy paste is vital, and I want it, or would not take a step back and get a W7 phone.

    Also, I can find nothing about a possible UK launch, anyone find anything?
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