Discussion: General Forums / Hardware & Software Discussion - Upgrading my Mobo and Cpu... - Hi Tech-experts....
Due to the new games coming out soon, I wanted to upgrade my
Due to the new games coming out soon, I wanted to upgrade my motherboard and processor.
Here's my current specs:
MY SYSTEM:
-Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional 2002 (Service Pack 1)
-Motherboard: Gigabyte-GA-7VRX
-Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2000 1.67GHz
-Memory: 1.00 GB of RAM (PC266 DDR)
-Hard Drive: 60 GB 7200 RPM
-Video Card: Radeon 9600XT
-Sound Card: Soundblaster Live 5.1 (although I use a plantronics headset for TS and GR so this bypasses my card on my current settings)
-Monitor: NEC AccuSync 90 19" SVGA
I guess my biggest question is whether or not my current memory will bottleneck the system. This new mobo supports my current memory as well as DDR 400 and DDR 333. I've talked to a few people and they've said that my current memory speed should not be a problem.
I have built 2 PC's recently on the ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard with Corsair PC3500 DDR RAM. I love these boards. My personnel rig has 2 x 512 sticks of ram and a P4 3.0 ghz cpu. I would go with the P4 3.0 since the price cuts dropped that processor to under $230.00 at newegg.
P4C800 and the P4C800-e use canterwood chipsets, most do 300mhz (1200 fsb)
P4P800 uses a springdale chipset that is a cut down version of the canterwood chipset. So basicaly is a canterwood that failed intels testing so they "speed binned it"
BUT, saying that, the odd ones get through that are good enough but most seem to top out around 250-270 (1000-1080)
also, the Asus P4C800-e is better than the P4C800, since it has intels newer southbridge too, and some improvements to the stability of voltage lines to the CPU... but most people dont need that
Why would you buy a A64 3000+ when for the extra couple of bucks you can get the 3200+ with the 1 MB L2 cache? $30 more than the P4 3.0 that Paradox suggested and will absolutely blow its doors off. I have to agree on the Asus motherboard thing, although for the A64, MSI's Neo FIS2R(?? I'm working from memory so I might not have gotten that right) is top notch. I don't put much faith in Tom's Hardware but EVERYONE is giving it good reviews. Either the Asus or the MSI... pretty much a toss-up and about a $25 price difference. Also, Dual Channel DDR isn't much of a benefit for the A64's so it is the matter of whether or not you want to spend the extra $15 and get a Dual Channel set for a 3-5% increase. If you are cutting the proverbial "cost" corners, hopefully this helps you make up your mind. The AMD chips and the Intel chips have fundmental differences in design... if you want stable application performance and better video processing (Digital camera and film editing), get an Intel. If you want to play games and don't mind waiting a couple of extra seconds for that video to finish encoding, get the AMD. The best suggestion I can make is do your homework, read the reviews, ask around, and don't get in a hurry. Hope that helps en4.
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Why would you buy a A64 3000+ when for the extra couple of bucks you can get the 3200+ with the 1 MB L2 cache? $30 more than the P4 3.0 that Paradox suggested and will absolutely blow its doors off. I have to agree on the Asus motherboard thing, although for the A64, MSI's Neo FIS2R(?? I'm working from memory so I might not have gotten that right) is top notch. I don't put much faith in Tom's Hardware but EVERYONE is giving it good reviews. Either the Asus or the MSI... pretty much a toss-up and about a $25 price difference. Also, Dual Channel DDR isn't much of a benefit for the A64's so it is the matter of whether or not you want to spend the extra $15 and get a Dual Channel set for a 3-5% increase. If you are cutting the proverbial "cost" corners, hopefully this helps you make up your mind. The AMD chips and the Intel chips have fundmental differences in design... if you want stable application performance and better video processing (Digital camera and film editing), get an Intel. If you want to play games and don't mind waiting a couple of extra seconds for that video to finish encoding, get the AMD. The best suggestion I can make is do your homework, read the reviews, ask around, and don't get in a hurry. Hope that helps en4.
I said A64 3000 because everyone moans about A64's costing so much... maybe they should look at intel cpu's, and mb's???? then see what costing so much is about. And anyway, i said that as entry level.... I wouldnt recommedn the XP line (socket A) to anyone anymore. I dont care if it will be "fine" for now, why buy old **** thats already obsolete?
that MSI A64 board is good, and it was why close 2nd choice (ie i would have orderd that instead if the asus was out of stock....
Dualchannel mode is about the difference 512kb extra cache gave the A64 3200... so to me i would sum up the CPU's like this:
512kb cache, 2000mhz single channel = 3000
1mb cache, 2000mhz single channel = 3200
1mb cache, 2000mhz dual channel = 3400...
(note theses are NOT offical)
thats how i see it, but dual channel A64s are going to cost an arm and leg.
whats this about stable only being Intel..i REALY wish this myth would be layed to rest.
I think what we are classifying as stable may be 2 different things. AMD's show signs of unstability due to different core processing methods when placed under long-term load. Intel does not suffer from this because of non-agressive core timings which provide for long-term performance but none of the "umph" AMD gives the gamer and home user. I would much rather have an AMD at home and an Intel in my server cluster.
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