Re: Very Long read on windows vista

**T_BEAR** · 07-28-2005, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by ABPositive

Tip : I do the "unload desktop" bit manually in XP to maximize the amount of RAM available when I play BF2. CTRL+ALT+DEL, Task Manager, Processes tab, kill the explorer.exe process (that's your windows desktop). Then switch to applications tab, new task, look for the BF2 start program. Once you're out of BF2 and need your desktop back, simply start a new task "explorer.exe".

I can't see that helping a lot unless you have 256 mb of ram.

**Root** · 07-28-2005, 10:11 PM

I read an interview with gates where he said longhorn was hopefully going to be rental only. Anyone know if M$ have put those plans on hold?

Root

**Overlag** · 07-29-2005, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Tempus

And the hardware upgrade cycle continues...

dual core, and 64bits will make Long........ errrrr Vista fly.

however do i really need to see a 3d movie when i open my computer? file manager back in windows 3.11 was fine......

MS are good lately at creating bloaty systems with virtualy no advantage at all.

However i like this part.....

Originally Posted by RGM-79N_GM_CUstom
If you want to play a game, Vista will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS).

that sounds clever. im supprised they not thought of that before.

im guessing 1gig min, 2gig recommended. 4gig recommended for 64bit version... etc......

**Overlag** · 07-29-2005, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Root

I read an interview with gates where he said longhorn was hopefully going to be rental only. Anyone know if M$ have put those plans on hold?

Root

what the hell will OEM's do then?

thats another way of stopping (err reducing

) piracy which in the end hurts the LEGIT customers.

**Root** · 07-29-2005, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Overlag

what the hell will OEM's do then?

thats another way of stopping (err reducing

) piracy which in the end hurts the LEGIT customers.

I suspect the thinking at M$ was that if you look at how much the average legit user pays for a version of windows, and how long they tend to use it for (I'm not alone in still using 98se), they can get more money out of people if they rent instead of sell. I imagine that there'll also be something like steam involved, so that you can't run an earlier version. You'll have to have whatever the latest update is. Control ftw

Root

**Overlag** · 07-29-2005, 09:34 AM

sounds like fascism.....

**Mateo** · 07-29-2005, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Root

I suspect the thinking at M$ was that if you look at how much the average legit user pays for a version of windows, and how long they tend to use it for (I'm not alone in still using 98se), they can get more money out of people if they rent instead of sell. I imagine that there'll also be something like steam involved, so that you can't run an earlier version. You'll have to have whatever the latest update is. Control ftw

Root

We are already there. Even if you turn off auto updates, they keep finding a way to make you upgrade XP. In those upgrades, they force you to revalidate your install, click a new EULA, and generally make the customary bowing and scraping westwards towards Redmond.

I've been bypassing this in favor of third party patches like Neowin's Autopatcher, but that will only get you so far. At some point, you have to go back to the Gate's boys.

**Trooper** · 07-29-2005, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by ABPositive

Tip : I do the "unload desktop" bit manually in XP to maximize the amount of RAM available when I play BF2. CTRL+ALT+DEL, Task Manager, Processes tab, kill the explorer.exe process (that's your windows desktop). Then switch to applications tab, new task, look for the BF2 start program. Once you're out of BF2 and need your desktop back, simply start a new task "explorer.exe".

and this accutally works...if so i might try this..

**T_BEAR** · 07-29-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by TG_Mateo

We are already there. Even if you turn off auto updates, they keep finding a way to make you upgrade XP. In those upgrades, they force you to revalidate your install, click a new EULA, and generally make the customary bowing and scraping westwards towards Redmond.

I've been bypassing this in favor of third party patches like Neowin's Autopatcher, but that will only get you so far. At some point, you have to go back to the Gate's boys.

There are ways to work around these checks....But you "shouldn't" do it.

**Vinzalf** · 07-29-2005, 02:33 PM

I'll Purchase the OS, but I will not rent it.

I wouldn't even mind paying a little for Service Packs, assuming they are not required for use of the system.

I expect customer service for things I buy. Looking at it this way, I do not see any customer service here... I see "You use our product and keep paying for it, or you use nothing at all, if theres a problem you pay to fix our shortcomings."

Microsoft should tread lightly here, they may think they can handle the loss of people for recurring cost of their product, but the longer it goes on, the more appealing the alternatives look, and at least in my area, people are always looking for ways to save a buck.

**Spyder** · 08-09-2005, 11:34 AM

Indeed, especially with the ever increasing popularity and usability of linux. Misteps like this are potential causes for rival companies to break m$'s monopoly on retail OS. (which would be devistating to M$'s income, even if they only lost a market share of say, 10-15%) Piss off enough people, and they'll start looking for an alternative. Enough people start looking, and somebody will take advantage of it, I guarentee you.

**Mateo** · 08-09-2005, 11:42 AM

Anyone actually try Vista yet?

**Syn** · 08-09-2005, 11:51 AM

I think part of the whole renting idea came from the fact Microsoft wants to force folk to have up-to-date security patches, and everyone running the same version of X, Y, Z, etc...By renting the OS, MS could dictate how often you update, no 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts'.

**Mateo** · 08-09-2005, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Spyder

Indeed, especially with the ever increasing popularity and usability of linux.

It's getting close. I think Linux is almost there...actually, it's better in many respects. The latest kernel series is fast and stable, more and more hardware is supported, and the desktops are actually useful.

As linux gets more eyecandy (see enlightenment .17 for a great example) the gap between Vista, or OSX, and linux is closing.

Gaming is the big area of lag, and probably will be for the forseeable future. I don't think every windows game will ever be able to run on linux, but I'm of the opinion that it doesn't need to. So long as it plays the good ones, that is enough.

**Mateo** · 08-09-2005, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sabooya

too laggy... and buggy 4 me....

Linux or vista?

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