Re: Very Long read on windows vista

**SuperSteve** · 08-09-2005, 12:18 PM

I don't think I'll be able to move up to that. I'm sure I will eventually. To tell you the truth, I'd rather switch to a linux system. If someone could help me out with linux, I feel ready enough to switch now after problems with XP.

I just don't know anything about linux...

On the subject though, Microsoft is going to start shoving more crap down peoples throats than we can handle. I really think all this automation is going to piss a lot of people off, including myself. I don't want to have to make some serious upgrades to my PC just to run a newer version of Microsofts crap! All the talk about making it into more of a gaming console is terrible too. I don't want an Xbox 360, I prefer to play games on my PC. Plus, I like installing games. Then I don't have to take care of cd's for the most part. Microsoft is getting too innovative with this one. Its only too bad that they are still going to make bucketloads of cash.

**Mateo** · 08-09-2005, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by SuperSteve

I don't think I'll be able to move up to that. I'm sure I will eventually. To tell you the truth, I'd rather switch to a linux system. If someone could help me out with linux, I feel ready enough to switch now after problems with XP.

I just don't know anything about linux...

Root, Apophis, Micr0c0sm, and I all use linux to some extent, as do a few others. In fact, I am working on Tactical OS, a linux based OS for gamers as we speak. Should be beta within a month (maybe longer) with a full launch by year's end.

You need help with linux, you let us know.

**SuperSteve** · 08-12-2005, 12:52 AM

Thanks Mateo, I will definately get back to you on that.

**Mateo** · 08-12-2005, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sabooya

wait wait... there is going to be A TG OS?

Yes, there is going to be Tactical OS. Working on it now.

The initial thread is here: http://www.tacticalgamer.com/general-discussion/55346-announcing-tactical-os-project.html

hmm I never "USED" Linux, but i know about it, friends have it, but i my self have never used it. How difficult is it?

It's different from Windows, but it's not difficult to use. Not anymore. Maybe 4 years ago, but not now.

There are lots of tools available to keep people that are afraid of the command line happy now, so it's even easier.

And tell me more on the TG OS Please :P

Watch http://www.tacticalblog.com/TGMateo/ for details.

**RGM-79N_GM_CUstom** · 08-12-2005, 04:24 PM

Steve you do know you can still install your games in it. It just gives you the option to not install. Good for beginners but most here rather have it on the HDD for faster load times. I do like the idea of the Xbox 360 controller granted i rather have the PS2 but they are pretty much the same controllers with different shapes.

**Root** · 08-13-2005, 02:54 PM

Anyone ever wonder why apple don't drop their prices? They'd surely take away some market share from M$. And if wine or cedega works with BSD unix, gamers could make the switch too.

I've got a partition cleared ready for TacOS when the beta is released. I'm aiming to be windows free 6 months after the final version is released.

If any tech-heads haven't got involved with TacOS yet, please contact Mateo - he can always use more help!!

Root

**RGM-79N_GM_CUstom** · 08-13-2005, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Root

Anyone ever wonder why apple don't drop their prices? They'd surely take away some market share from M$. And if wine or cedega works with BSD unix, gamers could make the switch too.

Root

From what I heard its mainly because they are more of a hardware company then a software company. Even if apple drops prices MS would still get money from PC gamers that switch to Intel Macs because they need to dual boot to play games.

As odd as it might sound I personally feel Linux has a better chance of hurting Windows. Even though Apple has the Ipod effect going for it Linux has Apple beat in price. A Linux machine costs just slightly less then a Windows PC. However Apple can advertise while Linux has to rely on PC users introducing it to others.

**Root** · 08-17-2005, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by RGM-79N_GM_CUstom

From what I heard its mainly because they are more of a hardware company then a software company. Even if apple drops prices MS would still get money from PC gamers that switch to Intel Macs because they need to dual boot to play games.

Ok thats a fair comment, but OSX is BSD unix, so won't wine and / or cedega work? That negates the need for windoze, and leaves bill out of pocket.

Perhaps Mateo will have to get a retail version of TacOS sorted next? It'd look great next to Suse and redhat in the shops

Root

**AzrealDarkmoon** · 08-17-2005, 02:10 PM

I guess I could hop on and download Vista, but I don't have a spare PC that would do it justice. For those who don't want all the nifty addons (and have a bit of money to spend) you can always go the 200x series route and then load DX on it and all the others. I personally have been using Win2k for 5 years, and its stable and works fast on any decent PC out there.

Been playing with Ubuntu Linux for a while and by far its the best I have used in terms of usability but on a lot of aspects MS leaves it in the dust. Moving visual processing to the GPU is a smart move and I beleive Apple has been doing it for a while now.

Oh well I get will back to playing with mono on Ubuntu.

Az

**Mateo** · 08-17-2005, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Root

Ok thats a fair comment, but OSX is BSD unix, so won't wine and / or cedega work? That negates the need for windoze, and leaves bill out of pocket.

Well, wine works with both linux and BSD. Cedega works only with Linux, so far, although there is a project that has it running on FreeBSD.

Might be worth pursing, since reportedly ut2004 and other games play on BSD without any noticible performance hit. There is a guy, sblevin, that is working with PC-BSD to run Doom III, Serious Sam, and others.....

Perhaps Mateo will have to get a retail version of TacOS sorted next? It'd look great next to Suse and redhat in the shops

Only way I could see charging for Tactical OS is if we include a full version of Cedega or Cross Over Office in the disk. Maybe we make it a SM bonus at that point, or something.

**rs_al** · 08-17-2005, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by TG_Mateo

We are already there. Even if you turn off auto updates, they keep finding a way to make you upgrade XP. In those upgrades, they force you to revalidate your install, click a new EULA, and generally make the customary bowing and scraping westwards towards Redmond.

I've been bypassing this in favor of third party patches like Neowin's Autopatcher, but that will only get you so far. At some point, you have to go back to the Gate's boys.

I haven't applied a patch to XP on my home PC since early 2004. I keep it safely firewalled off from the world, of course, and very rarely download any executables to run on it (and even when I do download programs, there's a high chance they run in cygwin :P).

I have a legit copy of XP pro, but I'm not too interested in Vista. It's pretty obvious a lot of these graphical changes they've made are another push to knock OpenGL out of the biz. OpenGL was long the superior graphics API, but then Microsoft leveraged their weight against hardware manufactures, rather than wait for the vid cards to standardized things, Microsoft told them what the standards would be and coded them into DirectX 9 ahead of time.

This looks like more of the same. Microsoft will put their "standards" in their software, and graphics card manufacturers will scramble to keep up. Meanwhile OpenGL will need to wait until after the next gen of cards are released before they can even begin deciding how to take advantage of the new feature. Hardware will be more and more only usable under windows.

**RGM-79N_GM_CUstom** · 08-17-2005, 02:36 PM

^^^Ya that is gonna piss off John Carmack. To be honest the lack of OpenGL support and the DRM they mentioned is the only thing that has me worried. (Hopefully its nothing too dangerous.) Other then that I must say I am pretty excited about Vista and will probably upgrade to it on release.

**AzrealDarkmoon** · 08-17-2005, 02:54 PM

I was under the impression that most video card manufacturers/game producers installed there own specific OpenGL anyways.

Az

**rs_al** · 08-17-2005, 04:29 PM

OpenGL is just a standard, and there are only so many APIs exposed. OpenGL hasn't provided a standardized way to provide a pixel shader API, for example. A graphics card or a vendor could provide their own implementation of one with OpenGL (for example Mac OSX provides a shading language with OpenGL). However, it isn't standardized- so if you wrote an app that used the OSX shading language, other OpenGL implementations might not support it. So the OpenGL consortium has to nail down what it wants the standard to be, then each implementation will have to be updated to support it.

**aeroripper** · 02-10-2006, 11:15 PM

Update 11: COPY PROTECTION
Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.

Fascism...

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