Vista Owners, Raise Your Hands. - Page 4

Snail88 · 02-07-2007, 12:00 PM

ok if someone can help me out id be forever grateful - i accidentally started the narrator (the thing that talks to you...i assume for blind people) and i cant figure out how to get it from starting up when windows starts. I went in msconfig but i didnt see it in the start up items. I dont even know where to go in the control panel to disable it. Arg! Any ideas?

SmokingTarpan · 02-07-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Snail88

ok if someone can help me out id be forever grateful - i accidentally started the narrator (the thing that talks to you...i assume for blind people) and i cant figure out how to get it from starting up when windows starts. I went in msconfig but i didnt see it in the start up items. I dont even know where to go in the control panel to disable it. Arg! Any ideas?

Check here:

http://www.microsoft.com/enable/trai.../narrator.aspx

Zoopy · 02-07-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jepzilla

One annoyance- There's a bug in nvidia's drivers: if you have a 7900GT it doesn't go into sleep mode correctly. The screen gets scrambled when it wakes up.

Are you using the 97.46 (7000 series) or the 100.59 (8800 series) drivers? I have a 7800GTX and the 100.59 work much better then the 97.46s.

BHack · 02-07-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Hmm so with voice recognition, is it on par with that of the Enterprise E's computers? As in, can I give voice commands to open, execute, disable, type and such?

Is the precaching done with hard drive space or physical ram? And have you had any crashes that could be related to the precaching?

Also the Aero interface, when you switch/cycle through the windows, do they actually "flip" around?

The precaching is done with physical ram. Vista actually runs algorithms to determine which programs you use the most, and AT WHAT TIMES OF THE DAY you are most likely to use them - then, it will load the common files and procedures that the program will use into RAM before you are guessed to need it.

This makes things appear to open much faster than they used to. For it to work properly, the OS actually has to 'learn' your usage habits for awhile first.

Another side effect is if you want to really take advantage of this feature, you want the most RAM possible. Unlike XP, Vista doesn't try to conserve RAM, it tries to keep it completely full at all times, swapping things in and out as needed, but having your common programs always loaded. They say 4 GB is now the sweet spot for power users, whereas 2GB is good enough for users that aren't heavily multi tasking.

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 01:18 PM

I am not interesting in flaming or arguing, however....

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Originally Posted by P8riot

it was a casual forum thread about the various flavors of Vista.

I agree, but considering Acreo was asking for information specifically to evaluate whether he will install Vista or not any causal statement such as that is bound to have more weight than usual.

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Originally Posted by P8riot

Vista Ultimate inherently will use more system resources than the other 'packages' of the OS unless the installing party elects to disable or not install the additional features available that comprise Vista 'Ultimate' and make it 'Ultimate'

That is a correct statement. If a user chooses to install Aero, BitLocker, DreamScene, automated backup, play Hold'em poker, and whatever other additional software available to them as Ultimate owners, then, yeah, it will use more resources. It does not "inherently" use more resources, however, as all these things are optional. Inherent means "built-in: existing as an essential constituent or characteristic".

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Originally Posted by P8riot

So, likewise, is it not a true statement to say that Vista 'Basic' uses fewer resources than Vista 'Home Premium' because the features in 'Home Premium' simply are not available in 'Basic' - hence the difference of the two packages.

Yes, that is correct. It is not a true statement.

You said the OS uses more resources. It does not. Installing additional software in the OS does.

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To my knowledge, Folding, is not a part of any XP or Vista package and such would not be a factor in making...

This type of optional software update has never been available before on XP, thus the analogy. What the analogy draws a focus on is that the software is optional.

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jepzilla

For the record, preloading is sweet. Visual Studio loads in under a second under Vista.

I too an enamored with it. In fact, I just bought another 2GB of memory to allow SuperFetch to do more fetching

! Tom's Hardware has a good writeup on the SuperFetch technology if you are interested.

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Hmm so with voice recognition, is it on par with that of the Enterprise E's computers? As in, can I give voice commands to open, execute, disable, type and such?

I've never used Enterprise E computers, but I have worked with quite a bit of voice recognition both personally and on a few projects as a consultant. Vista's implementation is hands-down the best I've seen. You can give voice commands to do anything you want on your computer.

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Is the precaching done with hard drive space or physical ram? And have you had any crashes that could be related to the precaching?

It uses RAM, which is why it is so fast. I have not noticed any crashes related to SuperFetch and can't think of any scenario short of bad memory chips which would cause any problems. Think of SuperFetch like a RAM drive that the OS dynamically allocates.

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Also the Aero interface, when you switch/cycle through the windows, do they actually "flip" around?

Yep! Not only do they cycle around, but the windows themselves are "live". If you have a video running, you can see the video still running while you are flipping. You can see a 1 minute ms demo of Flip3D and other parts of Vista here or a user-created video here.

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Snail88

i accidentally started the narrator (the thing that talks to you...i assume for blind people) and i cant figure out how to get it from starting up when windows starts.

Go to control panel, search for "speech". Click on "Speech recognition options" and then "Advanced speech options."

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I'm just wondering if your ' key is broken, or if there's another reason why you're using the ` key instead?

Leave it to Cing to hijack the thread..erm..well, more than it's been hijacked, anyway.

xTYBALTx · 02-07-2007, 01:46 PM

Do you tell the preloader which programs to keep ready? Or does it analyze this itself? Or something else entirely?

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Do you tell the preloader which programs to keep ready? Or does it analyze this itself? Or something else entirely?

Jep has a good description of it..it analyzes your usage patterns to determine what to keep in RAM, when to put it there, etc. The more you use your computer, the more it learns what you like and the more accurate SuperFetch becomes.

xTYBALTx · 02-07-2007, 01:50 PM

Sounds cool. Now, what is the difference between Ultimate and Hom Premium? I've read the back of the box, and it seems mostly related to file storage and security... neither of which I'm too keen on.

**Twisted_Firestarter** · 02-07-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Sounds cool. Now, what is the difference between Ultimate and Hom Premium? I've read the back of the box, and it seems mostly related to file storage and security... neither of which I'm too keen on.

I mentioned previously an easy-to-use comparison can be found here.

Home Premium does not have: Built in backup/restore software, Networking center, Remote desktop support, or Bitlockher driver encryption. Ultimate owners also will get additional free windows updates not available to other users, like Hold'em (a texas hold'em style card game), DreamScene, etc.

Ultimate owners also get additional perks...see attachment for complete description.

Snail88 · 02-07-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan

Check here:

http://www.microsoft.com/enable/trai.../narrator.aspx

bless you

xTYBALTx · 02-07-2007, 04:25 PM

Thank you for that summary, Twisted. Right now it looks like Premium has everything I'd ever need for a media/gaming rig, then?

02-07-2007, 01:46 PM	#55 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: Vista Owners, Raise Your Hands. Do you tell the preloader which programs to keep ready? Or does it analyze this itself? Or something else entirely? __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

02-07-2007, 01:50 PM	#57 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: Vista Owners, Raise Your Hands. Sounds cool. Now, what is the difference between Ultimate and Hom Premium? I've read the back of the box, and it seems mostly related to file storage and security... neither of which I'm too keen on. __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

02-07-2007, 04:25 PM	#60 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: Vista Owners, Raise Your Hands. Thank you for that summary, Twisted. Right now it looks like Premium has everything I'd ever need for a media/gaming rig, then? __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

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