Rule clarification: camping enemy bases

jex · 09-28-2004, 09:06 AM

Hi,

Just so I'm sure I see the new server rules post (http://www.tacticalgamer.com/joint-operations-official-rules-announcements-sops/12559-server-rules.html) shows that there is to be no camping an uncapturable spawn.

Does this mean that we are free to enter say, to reload (however never engaging the enemy if you're spotted)? I would define camping as sitting outside and shooting into the spawn base.

Thanks,

J

=Sarc= · 09-28-2004, 10:00 AM

The rules state Default spawn, not uncapturable spawns. Players may enter uncapturable spawns that may be captured in the future. This allows for teams to coordinate safely at one spawn point and to also create domino effects when taking bases.

In short, yes, you can enter uncapturable spawns. However, game admins have the right to override this rule if it is found that this is affecting fair game play (e.g. spawn raping).

jex · 09-28-2004, 11:24 AM

Cool thanks for that. Sometimes I find that the enemy armour spawns at the default spawn and as you only get 2 charges, it means a long way back to reload and thus your effectiveness is pretty useless.

I always try and sneak into the enemy default once i'm out to reload. This is actually great fun as I've made my own rule about never engaging anyone in the default spawn. This means if i'm spoted I have to run and hide, that's quite a giggle too lol

If I can make it in and out undetected it's a pretty good feeling.

Thx

**CingularDuality** · 10-02-2004, 10:14 AM

I just think we need to clarify this. Thursday night on the demo map (two islands, crappy default spawns) an admin told a pubbie that he was not allowed to be in the enemy's Delta Base (it was not capturable at the time). Our rule clearly states that camping default spawns are not allowed, but says nothing about other bases.

I joined in and told the player to get with the team and help capture a base or get off the server...

The thing is, looking back, if he was preventing people from jumping in choppers to support their attack on our last base, he might have been helping the team more than anyone else.

The reason that default spawns are off limits is simply so that there is at least ONE safe place to spawn, right? It's not an attempt to limit combat to only the bases that are actually capturable at the moment, is it?

**Mirfee** · 10-02-2004, 10:21 AM

EDIT: merging of threads makes my post redundant.

=Sarc= · 10-02-2004, 11:13 AM

Thread merged with a previous thread on the same subject. Whoever the admin was that discouraged the Delta camping should note that this rule applies only to Default spawn.

Players should not be discouraged to leave the server if they are not playing the way other players think is right. I would recommend ignoring the player and continue playing as a team. Hopefully, the teamwork displayed will rub off on others. It is up to the team to coordinate and this should be done positively.

**CingularDuality** · 10-02-2004, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =Sarc=

Thread merged with a previous thread on the same subject. Whoever the admin was that discouraged the Delta camping should note that this rule applies only to Default spawn.

Players should not be discouraged to leave the server if they are not playing the way other players think is right. I would recommend ignoring the player and continue playing as a team. Hopefully, the teamwork displayed will rub off on others. It is up to the team to coordinate and this should be done positively.

10-4

Thanks.

=Sarc= · 10-02-2004, 11:46 AM

I just reread my post and it doesn't quite sound right. Admins still have the right to enforce fair game play. I wasn't there so I don't know if that player was causing a serious problem. This means players will be punted for serious offences such as excessive TK's (automatically by the server), profanity, etc.

This is more of a clarification of my last post for others that may find it confusing.

Reaper81 · 10-02-2004, 03:14 PM

I was there. The guy in question was nade spamming the Delta PSP from an emplaced Mk 19. The rule I remeber reading on the server itself was, 'No camping uncapturable spawns.' Technically, Delta was in an uncapturable state at that point.
It wasn't a question of spawn rape or anything, it was just a pretty lame ass tactic on that map as it's a good half click run from the default spawn to Delta and you're going up against a nade spammer.

=Sarc= · 10-02-2004, 03:41 PM

The last time I checked, the rule is, "No camping any default spawn". Jex's post has a link to the rules thread, which lists the server rules messaged on the server.

Nade spamming Delta base would be acceptable according to the rules. A coordinated team will effectively communicate and neutralize the threat. It's not like leaving Delta undefended is a priority. It cannot be captured. Therefore, the team has time to eliminate the threat with minimal casualties.

In a situation like this, players have to keep cool and get even. During chess games with my brother he would always say, "Don't get mad, get even." Evaulate the situation and execute a plan.

**FUNKED1** · 10-02-2004, 05:28 PM

So does this mean I can't park my AAV in defilade outside the enemy default spawn and hold down the MK19 trigger for the entire duration of the game?

=Sarc= · 10-02-2004, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUNKED1

So does this mean I can't park my AAV in defilade outside the enemy default spawn and hold down the MK19 trigger for the entire duration of the game?

That's right. This is essentially what "No camping Default spawn" means.

**CingularDuality** · 10-02-2004, 10:03 PM

It'd be kinda hard since the AAVs don't have grenade launchers, too... :-)

jex · 10-04-2004, 05:59 AM

Sorry by uncapturable I meant default spawn as that is uncapturable full stop. All other bases can be captured (or at least the way I looked at it).

coldbore · 10-04-2004, 11:05 AM

[quote=Reaper81]I was there. The guy in question was nade spamming the Delta PSP from an emplaced Mk 19. The rule I remeber reading on the server itself was, 'No camping uncapturable spawns.' Technically, Delta was in an uncapturable state at that point.

It is my believe when we had our meeting, that the rule applied to default spawn (the one when with no letter designated). If someone is camping outside a flag, and they have another availiable, then it should be ok. After all, the team recieving the fire can spawn at another flag, adjust their tactics to clear the threat at the flag getting pounded. This is a valid tactic. If you are at the default spawn getting pounded, then it is up to the admins to say something.
One thing I have noticed is that a lot of the pubbies haven't read our "Code of Conduct" for the server. it should be encouraged if there are any doubts by new players.

09-28-2004, 09:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
jex Join Date: May 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 37 Posts: 3,344	Clarification on server rules Hi, Just so I'm sure I see the new server rules post (http://www.tacticalgamer.com/joint-operations-official-rules-announcements-sops/12559-server-rules.html) shows that there is to be no camping an uncapturable spawn. Does this mean that we are free to enter say, to reload (however never engaging the enemy if you're spotted)? I would define camping as sitting outside and shooting into the spawn base. Thanks, J __________________ Jex

09-28-2004, 10:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
=Sarc= Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 4,460	Re: Clarification on server rules The rules state Default spawn, not uncapturable spawns. Players may enter uncapturable spawns that may be captured in the future. This allows for teams to coordinate safely at one spawn point and to also create domino effects when taking bases. In short, yes, you can enter uncapturable spawns. However, game admins have the right to override this rule if it is found that this is affecting fair game play (e.g. spawn raping). __________________ JO Guides & Tutorials Team Element - It's who you game with.

09-28-2004, 11:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
jex Join Date: May 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 37 Posts: 3,344	Re: Clarification on server rules Cool thanks for that. Sometimes I find that the enemy armour spawns at the default spawn and as you only get 2 charges, it means a long way back to reload and thus your effectiveness is pretty useless. I always try and sneak into the enemy default once i'm out to reload. This is actually great fun as I've made my own rule about never engaging anyone in the default spawn. This means if i'm spoted I have to run and hide, that's quite a giggle too lol If I can make it in and out undetected it's a pretty good feeling. Thx __________________ Jex

10-02-2004, 10:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 16,639	Rule clarification: camping enemy bases I just think we need to clarify this. Thursday night on the demo map (two islands, crappy default spawns) an admin told a pubbie that he was not allowed to be in the enemy's Delta Base (it was not capturable at the time). Our rule clearly states that camping default spawns are not allowed, but says nothing about other bases. I joined in and told the player to get with the team and help capture a base or get off the server... The thing is, looking back, if he was preventing people from jumping in choppers to support their attack on our last base, he might have been helping the team more than anyone else. The reason that default spawns are off limits is simply so that there is at least ONE safe place to spawn, right? It's not an attempt to limit combat to only the bases that are actually capturable at the moment, is it? __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

10-02-2004, 10:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mirfee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ithaca NY Age: 37 Posts: 1,702	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases EDIT: merging of threads makes my post redundant. __________________ Last edited by Mirfee; 10-02-2004 at 11:21 AM.

10-02-2004, 11:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
=Sarc= Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 4,460	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases Thread merged with a previous thread on the same subject. Whoever the admin was that discouraged the Delta camping should note that this rule applies only to Default spawn. Players should not be discouraged to leave the server if they are not playing the way other players think is right. I would recommend ignoring the player and continue playing as a team. Hopefully, the teamwork displayed will rub off on others. It is up to the team to coordinate and this should be done positively. __________________ JO Guides & Tutorials Team Element - It's who you game with.

10-02-2004, 11:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
=Sarc= Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 4,460	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases I just reread my post and it doesn't quite sound right. Admins still have the right to enforce fair game play. I wasn't there so I don't know if that player was causing a serious problem. This means players will be punted for serious offences such as excessive TK's (automatically by the server), profanity, etc. This is more of a clarification of my last post for others that may find it confusing. __________________ JO Guides & Tutorials Team Element - It's who you game with.

10-02-2004, 03:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Reaper81 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 33	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases I was there. The guy in question was nade spamming the Delta PSP from an emplaced Mk 19. The rule I remeber reading on the server itself was, 'No camping uncapturable spawns.' Technically, Delta was in an uncapturable state at that point. It wasn't a question of spawn rape or anything, it was just a pretty lame ass tactic on that map as it's a good half click run from the default spawn to Delta and you're going up against a nade spammer.

10-02-2004, 03:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
=Sarc= Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 4,460	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases The last time I checked, the rule is, "No camping any default spawn". Jex's post has a link to the rules thread, which lists the server rules messaged on the server. Nade spamming Delta base would be acceptable according to the rules. A coordinated team will effectively communicate and neutralize the threat. It's not like leaving Delta undefended is a priority. It cannot be captured. Therefore, the team has time to eliminate the threat with minimal casualties. In a situation like this, players have to keep cool and get even. During chess games with my brother he would always say, "Don't get mad, get even." Evaulate the situation and execute a plan. __________________ JO Guides & Tutorials Team Element - It's who you game with.

10-02-2004, 05:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
FUNKED1 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northern Cali Posts: 154	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases So does this mean I can't park my AAV in defilade outside the enemy default spawn and hold down the MK19 trigger for the entire duration of the game?

10-02-2004, 10:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 16,639	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases It'd be kinda hard since the AAVs don't have grenade launchers, too... :-) __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

10-04-2004, 05:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
jex Join Date: May 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 37 Posts: 3,344	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases Sorry by uncapturable I meant default spawn as that is uncapturable full stop. All other bases can be captured (or at least the way I looked at it). __________________ Jex

10-04-2004, 11:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
coldbore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wainwright Alberta Age: 37 Posts: 233	Re: Rule clarification: camping enemy bases [quote=Reaper81]I was there. The guy in question was nade spamming the Delta PSP from an emplaced Mk 19. The rule I remeber reading on the server itself was, 'No camping uncapturable spawns.' Technically, Delta was in an uncapturable state at that point. It is my believe when we had our meeting, that the rule applied to default spawn (the one when with no letter designated). If someone is camping outside a flag, and they have another availiable, then it should be ok. After all, the team recieving the fire can spawn at another flag, adjust their tactics to clear the threat at the flag getting pounded. This is a valid tactic. If you are at the default spawn getting pounded, then it is up to the admins to say something. One thing I have noticed is that a lot of the pubbies haven't read our "Code of Conduct" for the server. it should be encouraged if there are any doubts by new players. __________________ Find it, Sight it, Shoot it! :icon24:

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