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Old 08-29-2004, 02:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Vehicle Survival

When in an armored vehicle, one feels safe from small arms fire. However, there are great dangers from high caliber MG's and rockets. The purpose of this document is to familiarize you with techniques of covering and concealing your vehicle while providing an acceptable gunning view. First, the 'hull down' technique will be shown. Then there will be examples of various hiding spots.

'Hull down' refers to a method of covering the main body of the vehicle while giving the turret clear view of the battlefield. Usually, a depression is used for this but other land features can be used similarly such as a small hill or rock. Below is an example of a Stryker using the 'hull down' technique. The vehicle is practically invisible to anybody crossing the flat ground. This is one of the better spots for hiding a large vehicle, which are rare on most maps.



Hiding a vehicle is like using cover and concealment on foot. Land features can be used to block enemy fire and foliage can conceal the vehicle. Sound and movement also negatively affect vehicles and is even more important since vehicles are loud and large. The screenshot below shows how the vehicle's position is easily given away by firing. However, the use of 'hull down' gives the vehicle good protection.



This second example shows a Stryker using 'hull down' in a more common situation. Maps typically have small dips and hills to allow partial coverage of the vehicle. This would be a tricky shot for a rifleman. Every second longer it takes for a soldier to fire on the Stryker gives the vehicle’s gunner a better chance of eliminating the threat.



Below is the view from the Stryker's gunner position. He has a clear view of the base including a good shot into the flag bunker. The driver’s view is poor because the turret is higher on the vehicle. This is crucial to finding a good spot. If the driver cannot see much of the target then the vehicle is likely in decent cover. It is important that the gunner communicates with the driver to ensure a safe area to park while maintaining a good viewpoint.



Below is another good way of hiding a vehicle but it is not so obvious when driving around the area. The best is to experiment and communicate so that there is a balance of good cover and a clear view. The gunner has a clear view of inside the bunker but not the ground. This is a trade-off for some decent cover.



Shown below is what the Stryker looks like to anybody on the roof of the bunker. It is almost a clear view of the Stryker but would require exposure to the Stryker's guns. The view from inside is even worse. It barely provides a view of the turret’s top. This parking spot is looking better than it did in the previous screenshot.



Sometimes there is absolutely nothing to use for cover from possible enemy locations. The next example shows how to find a decent way of hiding in anticipation of friendly reinforcements or to scan the area. While the Stryker looks like it could be clearly seen, the foliage does more than it seems. This screenshot was taken from an elevated position so it is easier to see how the vehicle is parked. A screenshot from a more likely enemy location will show how this spot can hide a large vehicle.



This next screenshot is from the top of the bunker. An elevated position is always good to spot targets but this Stryker could prove tricky if one does not pay attention. It is mostly the turret that is exposed while the rest of the body is hidden behind trees and bushes. This will help if the gunner does not fire. The Stryker in this situation is most likely waiting for reinforcements and scanning the area.



There are plenty of spots to conceal a vehicle for a short period of time. Let someone else park their vehicle on a hillside ripe for a rocket. Look for those small dips and hills to provide cover. Remember 'hull down' and it could save your life. Larger hills can even be used to block a vehicles flank. Most importantly, communicate to the other occupants. Ask the driver for a slightly better view or suggest a good spot to park. A keen eye and good communication will go a long way to surviving in a vehicle.
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Another nice article, Sarc. Thanks again!
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The tricky part is getting into those spots!
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Re: Vehicle Survival

Yup. I notice that far too many times players jump into a apc and try to overrun a base singlehandedly, even though there are tons of defenders--surprisingly the apc doesn't live very long.

You need to remember that despite the armour, you are still very vulnerable. Just like in the real world, without a infantry screen, armoured vehicles are iron coffins. Use them wisely. I usually stand off a bit and then, when the time is right, drive full tilt into a base to try and tip the scales. Try to gauge from which direction you will probably face the biggest threat, and scan--hopefully you see them before they see you.
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Re: Vehicle Survival

Well, having just experimented with this a little, I discovered a tremendous advantage in going hull-down.

The turrets on both the Stryker, and the BTR are 100% invulnerable to weapon fire. I put 4 anti-tank rounds into the turrets of each without so much as even scratching the paint. After each shot I hopped inside to check the damage status bar of the vehicle, and after every shot it showed full green. I finally ended up plugging both vehicles squarely with 2 AT rounds apiece, and as normal, they went to critical and then promptly blew up. No mistaking that the weapons were somehow duds

So basically, if you can get into a hull-down position with either vehicle, and you can keep from getting flanked, you will not take any damage from direct-fire weapons hitting your turret only. If an enemy can get line of sight to your hull, you're out of luck... so be sure to find the tallest (and widest) cover so that only that turret is peeking above. This is much easier with the Stryker's gun, given it's higher profile than the BTR. Of course, the Stryker is also a taller vehicle (taller hull) than the BTR, so it has to find deeper cover.
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Wow! Being fairly new to online gaming (BHD and now JO) stuff like this is GOLD! I really appreciate the great thread and all of the great info sarc. Your hard work is appreciated! I also appreciate the hospitality received from the TG clan so far. It certainly makes a part time gamer like myself feel good. Keep up the good work, and I'll contribute where I can.

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Re: Vehicle Survival

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Wow! Being fairly new to online gaming (BHD and now JO) stuff like this is GOLD!
If you want tips especially for BHD LoneMarmot, here's my BHD/TS Playing Tips thread in Australia - scroll to the last post.

Going back to the topic .....

Very nice tips Sarc and I like to add mine - How to shoot using BTR and Stryker:

1) Set the elevation to 500m at all times.

2) Shoot well ahead of the target and maintain that lead while shooting.

3) Only shoot if you're sure you can kill the target within a few secs.
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