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Discussion: Action / Left 4 Dead - L4D TG SOPs? - Originally Posted by Morganan
I dont disagree, but you know as well as I do
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11-24-2008, 11:29 PM #46
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Re: L4D TG SOPs?
Sometimes there is a lot of noise going on when a horde attacks and it's hard to hear the sound cues. I've been hung to dry a couple of times and I have to notify my teammates to free me. This should be a SOP to ensure you are saved. Why take the risk?
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11-24-2008, 11:48 PM #47
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It is definitely handy to have a team-mate shout out when they are being eaten / licked to death. To say otherwise is just silly. One easy example is when you've just been puked on by a Boomer -- I'm somewhat certain you don't get the yellow outline (or yellow and red in case of hunter pounceage). If they're behind you, you might not notice, and as has already been mentioned, if you're fighting off a horde of zombies it can drown out the sound. Altogether, I can't think of a reason to not say "Hunter! Help help help!" or "Smoker! Help! Help! Help!" unless you are just trying to be contrary.
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11-25-2008, 05:46 AM #48
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Re: L4D TG SOPs?
Really? Originally Posted by Morganan
Well, I've been playing this game for a bit, and my 8 year old son has been watching over my shoulder a bit. He insists on pointing out every time a character "ooh, he said a bad word". I explain by telling him that if he's ever attacked by zombies, that it is entirely appropriate to use such language, regardless of how old he is. But when a fellow TG member lets an F-bomb slip, I don't find the same justification. It's simply not appropriate to use such language while playing a game. It doesn't contribute to the game. It doesn't aid in communication. It doesn't help one become more immersed in the game. It doesn't do jack.If the language from the player cannot be equal to the language in the game for whatever reason, this community should not support the game at all, and doing anything else is a double-standard. If you are offended by language of this type, you shouldn't be playing the game, period, because you will hear it, and you cant stop hearing it short of disabling all sound.
Sure, people will let stuff slip out, especially when excited. It happens in every game. I would just hate for this game to be known as the game with all the potty mouths at TG. We have site-wide standards for a reason, and that reason hasn't changed just because we have a zombie slaughtering game.Become a supporting member!
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11-25-2008, 05:53 AM #49
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Re: L4D TG SOPs?
Good god people. At TG we stand for 'mature gaming'. If we need to have our hands-held and be told what that means then we probably shouldn't be here.
I've been playing this game for just over a week now and had a great deal of fun, both with other members of my IHS and other TGers in general. I can say for sure that if I had a kid, I wouldn't want them to be watching this game any more than I'd want them to watch a gore-fest film intended for adults. It is rated as 18 for crying-out-loud. If you let your kids watch it and they hear people swearing then that's your choice.
I don't think anybody I've played with has been a 'potty-mouth' but I would say that as a whole the game just feels more relaxed than, say, BF2142. It's more close-knit with just four people... and COME ON, you are more concerned about your kid hearing swear words than watching HEADS EXPLODE??! What planet are you on?
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11-25-2008, 05:59 AM #50
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Re: L4D TG SOPs?
Just so this isn't misinterpreted, I don't mean that mature gaming = mature game content. What I meant was, that mature gaming means knowing how to respect your fellow players and ensure that you aren't doing anything to ruin their gaming experience. Originally Posted by DrProctor
In other words, we shouldn't need to be told how to do this.
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11-25-2008, 08:30 AM #51
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I agree. It's a M-rated game and letting an 8 year-old watch with the game's swearing and violence is hardly justifiable. If someone is going to use the excuse that it's a zombie apocalypse and it's ok to swear in that situation then apply it to TG members that swear. They are re-living a zombie apocalypse and are getting into character. Originally Posted by DrProctor
I'm against swearing on comms but this is a zombie game that's supposed to be fun, relaxing, and intended for adults. I am only taking the other side because this is becoming too serious and a double-standard when the game has no language filters. TG should focus on teamwork, not on nitpicking language and laying out dozens of restrictions.
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11-25-2008, 10:14 AM #52
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The hypocrisy has already been pointed out. Most of the videos posted up on this game have people swearing - big deal. The words are in the English language, check your dictionary. If people didn't get so hung up certain words, they'd fail to have the impact they do now. It's the moaners that make them a problem. Originally Posted by =Sarc=
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As for SOP's - they're hard to stick to once the poo hits the fan (ooh potty mouth)Jex.
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11-25-2008, 11:53 AM #53
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Re: L4D TG SOPs?
Why is L4D in the Tactical Forum and not the Action Forum? The game is much much looser than TF2 in regards to the actual employment of military and law enforcement tactics and TF2 is in the Action Forum.
L4D is an action game and, in my opinion, doesn't belong in the Tactical Forum. Placing it in the Tactical Forum places an expectation on how the TG community will approach playing the game that is really unrealistic (and is echoed in the majority of the preceding posts).
Maturity, respect, and communication are still required for Action titles hosted at TG as that is part of the TG MO. However, we need to be realistic about the limits of tactical realism a zombie apocalypse places on this game.
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11-25-2008, 12:27 PM #54
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I have no "say" in anything, any more than you do. I too was gone for a while, having only recently returned to action. I'm speaking (typing) as an interested observer and player, nothing more. Originally Posted by Morganan
I have no beef with the game or how it chooses to handle things, but I expect anyone from Tactical Gamer or on a Tactical Gamer server -- regardless of the game or its contents -- to hold themselves to a higher standard of action and language.
"Zombies bearing down on you would cause you to curse like a sailor!" they say. So too would getting winged by a counter-terrorist, run over by a jeep, or stomped by a mech, but that doesn't change how we expect our players to behave when they're sporting our tags or using our servers.
"The game curses!" they say. Good for the game. There are many things in every game we play that are allowable and workable in the game world that have no place when a TG player is at the controls. The game doing it or allowing it to be done (two different things, I realize, but related) is not permission to abandon our professionalism.
"If you're offended, don't play it!" they say. I'm not offended, not by the game at least. I'm offended that people think that one aspect of the game constitutes reason enough to abandon a central tenet (professionalism) on which TG was founded.
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11-25-2008, 03:12 PM #55
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Agreed, I exit the game when any of my kids are in the room so they don't see me play it. No word in the english language should be more offensive to a parent with their child watching and listening (other then the word pedophile) then seeing a head graphically exploded on the wall behind the zombie with the blood splatter that accompanies it. If you somehow feel the language is more of a problem for your child then the visuals, well, I don't know what to say... Originally Posted by DrProctor
Point me out another game supported by this site that has the level of graphic violence and blood and language this game has in it's multiplayer experience and I'll change my opinion.
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11-25-2008, 03:27 PM #56
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I have witnessed people kicked from TG servers (not myself, because I don't need to read rules to comprehend what mature behavior is, like the old saying, if you have to write down your ethics rules, you defeat the purpose of having them) for saying the exact same words the game itself says. Proper and improper language is a contextual thing, and in the context of this particular title, I feel there should be a more lax interpretation of the general rule of enforcing mature behavior as it pertains to language then in the context of for example the Bf series of titles which has a teen rating and also does not have foul language included in it outside of the control of the player in a MP setting. Originally Posted by Pokerface
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11-25-2008, 04:30 PM #57
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I don't mind swearing really, as long as it isn't over the top. I admit, I've accidentally let the F-bomb slip on a number of occasions, though I'm trying to stop doing that. Nowadays, it's mostly just:"ffff- damn!"
The game does contain offensive language, yes. And I doubt there are many admins that would get too worked up over an occasional swear word. What I find wrong is that we are on a forum, and not just any forum, but on a forum belonging to a gaming community that prides itself on maturity, arguing about swearing!
I really don't get it. Why should we need the right to swear to enjoy the game? Yes, the game uses the words. Why should we? I think the fact that there are some that dislike should be enough of a reason for no one to use profanity. It really doesn't detract much from your experience to keep a lid on it, but swearing can detract from the experience of others.
Now, I agree with many of you that we shouldn't be too strict with the rule. If you cuss once or twice a round, no one is going to mind. But letting it spew from your mouth all the time is just disrespectful and unproffesional.
Just take a moment to look at everything and ask yourself:"is it really worth it to argue about swearing? Will it really add to my enjoyment of the game?" It's really easy to get carried away with this kind of argument, but in the end, it's just not going to lead anywhere and it'll leave a sour taste in your mouth.
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11-25-2008, 05:24 PM #58
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Re: L4D TG SOPs?
It seems to me that legislating language is a little silly for L4D -- at most only 3 others can hear you. So long as expectations are set at the beginning of a round, I don't see any problem with what goes on privately between four players.
That said, when you join a game with members you don't know, it should be second nature to assume they don't want to hear your cussin', and appropriate to limit your language. It's simply respect. I'd compare it to the way you speak around strangers or acquaintances vs the way you speak around close friends. When you get in the game, try and figure out which situation you're in and act accordingly.
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11-25-2008, 05:33 PM #59
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Completely agree. As long as it isn't directly insulting other players or trying to be annoying I don't really care what others say. Originally Posted by DaBrit
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11-25-2008, 10:46 PM #60
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The language topic is silly. Once again we find ourselves in the midst of people who have an easy solution to a problem and are choosing to take a lesson in futility. Bravo clean language people, you're crusade to clean us up is meaningless.
I am a mature gamer, I also use mature language while gaming (on occasion). I react, something bad happens...I will say a bad word...on occasion. Granted I don't curse wildly but I'm not making any promises. If you have children, for god sakes buy a headset...don't depend on me to act like I do around 8 year olds every time I get on to play with MATURE people. If you have immature people around who shouldn't be subjected to my occasional slip of tongue, by all means feel free to play with you're game muted. If we are in game and you say "Guardian, can you please watch the language" I will, because I am a mature and understanding guy. It is silly to expect a community of adults not to be adults while enjoying their free time.
These arguments are moot to begin with because we have one server that is not regulated. Lets leave these silly sorts of things to those with the time knit-pick with unrealistic expectations for strangers till we have a reason to do so and enforce said rules.Shhhh I'm being made
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