ATF isnt a strong group in my opinion (seeing them play in many other games besides L4D, they are a big community). But still, you get any 4 people who know each other, there is a advantage in communication and simply, The Will To Win, as compared to 4 random dudes, one which has to go get the laundry, another whos trying to cook spaghetti, a third whos on the phone with their girlfriend, and an ******* whos makes games their business (actually these are all TG people we know haha), and we get instant fail.

Ive been playing a lot of public games and its either challenging because people are sucking, or a curb stomp because the other team cant hack it. I think public versus is a really good way of gaining experience and just learning from the community out there in how they deal with tanks/witches, certain scenarios, etc.

For example, at the end of the subway map on No Mercy, a guy went down and he said "Leave me guys!". We only had 3 guys left, but the other guy with me went back to get him. The person who was incap kept screaming forget about me, get those points. Anyways, the guy who went to rescue him (at the time no zombies were attacking the incap), was killed, and only I made it out alive. Its interesting, because I think most of us would just leave our teammate there in a bad situation there, but this hero went out of his way to save that teammate (and get killed in the process). Maybe its stupidity, but I had a tear in my eye.