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Guardianx11x · 12-08-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Trooper

Im sure of all people cing did say something. But a member shouldnt have to remind TG wearing members how to represent this community. I dont think its silly at all. Just a friendly reminder of what wearing the TG tag represents. Does swearing help your team at all?

And i wouldn't want my child playing on a server where members are supposed to act mature but swear like sailors

Sorry for the double post, but I love contradicting trooper (so I can't help myself).

Cing did not say something. I'm fairly sure his post is a direct result of either reaper or myself. Good of you to make that assumption though. As far as reminding TG members how to act...that is true for breaking the RULES, but aside from that it is all personal preference and suggestion. Swearing will happen. We all do things without purpose...like continuing to post in this thread for instance.

As for the child argument. Let me remind you trooper that L4D is a mature game and TG is a mature community. Please go read what TG is about so you can better phrase your arguments to put them inline with what TG is about. Thank you.

**whistler** · 12-08-2008, 09:21 PM

It is simply unbelievable that this should have to be asked from TG regulars. We are mature doesn't mean curse at your discretion, it means refrain from doing so to advance everyone else's gaming experience. We don't need to hear it, and the people you should be impressing with your team-oriented gameplay shouldn't have to hear it either.

Trooper · 12-08-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardianx11x

Sorry for the double post, but I love contradicting trooper (so I can't help myself).

Cing did not say something. I'm fairly sure his post is a direct result of either reaper or myself. Good of you to make that assumption though. As far as reminding TG members how to act...that is true for breaking the RULES, but aside from that it is all personal preference and suggestion. Swearing will happen. We all do things without purpose...like continuing to post in this thread for instance.

As for the child argument. Let me remind you trooper that L4D is a mature game and TG is a mature community. Please go read what TG is about so you can better phrase your arguments to put them inline with what TG is about. Thank you.

Really now?

The fact he even had to post something like this really says leaps and bounds about what TG has become. Good luck.

=Sarc= · 12-08-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whistler

Remember you're representing TG whenever you play on a pubbie server with the tag on. We want to continue being held in high regard within the gaming community at large.

So by removing the TG tag, players are free to do what they want? Considering that L4D has players in games with non-TG players, a TG player that removes the TG tag is free to act however without tarnishing the TG name.

I think Guardian has a point that a case by case basis could work out well. Admins can't ban players from a server if it was a self-hosted game. There should be some agreements to how players will act during a L4D campaign. It's better than a player acting outside of TG's standards and reporting to an admin. The admin can't do anything if the player wasn't on a TG server. It'll only give the impression that players can't be who they are outside of TG.

Trooper · 12-08-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whistler

It is simply unbelievable that this should have to be asked from TG regulars. We are mature doesn't mean curse at your discretion, it means refrain from doing so to advance everyone else's gaming experience. We don't need to hear it, and the people you should be impressing with your team-oriented gameplay shouldn't have to hear it either.

come on whistler...thats obviously not what TG is about.

**whistler** · 12-08-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by =Sarc=

So by removing the TG tag, players are free to do what they want? Considering that L4D has players in games with non-TG players, a TG player that removes the TG tag is free to act however without tarnishing the TG name.

I think Guardian has a point that a case by case basis could work out well. Admins can't ban players from a server if it was a self-hosted game. There should be some agreements to how players will act during a L4D campaign. It's better than a player acting outside of TG's standards and reporting to an admin. The admin can't do anything if the player wasn't on a TG server. It'll only give the impression that players can't be who they are outside of TG.

Given that a case by case basis is always preferable, I did not mean that you should act without remorse if not wearing a TG tag. That should be understandable given the mature gaming community we all agreed to join.

Guardianx11x · 12-08-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trooper

Really now?

The fact he even had to post something like this really says leaps and bounds about what TG has become. Good luck.

My point was that if you are expecting internet strangers to conduct themselves in a manner you deem fitting for your own child, OR if you leave it in the internet strangers hands in the first place...you should probably prepare to be disappointed.

....Just saying, kind of a silly point to make.

**whistler** · 12-08-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardianx11x

My point was that if you are expecting internet strangers to conduct themselves in a manner you deem fitting for your own child, OR if you leave it in the internet strangers hands in the first place...you should probably prepare to be disappointed.

The mere reason he plays with Tactical Gamer members would suggest otherwise.

Trooper · 12-08-2008, 09:36 PM

here is the thing. I dont look at TG members at strangers. In my eyes we are family. now i dont have kids that are old enough to game. I guess i dont see why swearing is needed at TG? does it help team play? does it help you complete your mission

=Sarc= · 12-08-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whistler

Given that a case by case basis is always preferable, I did not mean that you should act without remorse if not wearing a TG tag. That should be understandable given the mature gaming community we all agreed to join.

It's still not a rule and not enforceable on self-hosted servers.

There are clearly holes in TG's list of expectations and rules governing the players. L4D has shown to be quite a different method of playing online with other TG players. The mature rating on the game has really pushed the rating its limits. Given that TG must hold a uniform standard across all games, I hope that admins are discussing how L4D fits in with TG and how to provide a mechanism for gathering like-minded L4D players.

I think that the fact a post about language has been made and it's not a firm reminder about any rule shows this game's following is in a state of chaos. That's ok because it's still new and there's going to be some time before there are standards for this game. The real disappointment is there are official TG servers but there doesn't seem to be an official L4D admin staff. Admins from other games seem to be chiming in on how this game should be run when there should be a collected group of admins dedicated to handle this game's peculiarities.

Guardianx11x · 12-08-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whistler

The mere reason he plays with Tactical Gamer members would suggest otherwise.

I disagree. I play at TG to avoid playing with children....hence the mature player basis.

**whistler** · 12-08-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardianx11x

I disagree. I play at TG to avoid playing with children....hence the mature player basis.

In that case, unfortunately the line between acting mature and your expectations of mature have been blurred.

Guardianx11x · 12-08-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by whistler

In that case, unfortunately the line between acting mature and your expectations of mature have been blurred.

My point is that it's subjective. Glad you caught that though. I'm just trying to remind everyone what we can realistically respect from each other as a community. I'm not saying that it is alright to offend anyone, but in a mature community amongst mature players, cursing (if nobody minds) isn't or shouldn't be a problem. I'm advocating that IF you are offended, say something and because that person is a member of TG...they should respect you and your wishes.

Trooper · 12-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardianx11x

My point is that it's subjective. Glad you caught that though. I'm just trying to remind everyone what we can realistically respect from each other as a community. I'm not saying that it is alright to offend anyone, but in a mature community amongst mature players, cursing (if nobody minds) isn't or shouldn't be a problem. I'm advocating that IF you are offended, say something and because that person is a member of TG...they should respect you and your wishes.

agreed. And im glad this thread came full circle.

**peardog** · 12-08-2008, 10:00 PM

I think it was said before in the post... If you don't like the "expectations" that go along with the TG tags just don't wear them in L4D servers..simple enough..?? And the Mature gamer deal doesn't mean swearing all the time.. it kinda should mean that the "thrill" of swearing is over... now we just swear when we Messed up.. I hear nothing but swearing from some of the crazy non-TG 13 yoa's out there who swear to be "cool" and "mature". It's kinda sickening..