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12-08-2008, 10:06 PM #31
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Re: Language
just a minute ago i had the fun to listen to two random players on a public versus throw really bad words at them selves, n word, and then they where mocking themselves etc... like zem n00bs ya know
, i really don't understand why people have to be that way...
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12-08-2008, 10:06 PM #32
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For those that feel the need to curse like a sailor at sea, please review the player standards and basic rules of conduct.
As someone who is "TG" playing with other's who are "TG", should I really have to ask people to tone it down? I do not like rampant cursing, but I don't mind slip ups.
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12-08-2008, 10:11 PM #33
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That's still a circumvention of TG expectations. There's no way to enforce "non-TG" players on self-hosted L4D servers. A player may think it's ok to game with another because they both post on the TG L4D forum but one may swear uncontrollably.
Originally Posted by peardog
That would be putting TG in a position of taking responsibility of territory it does not have any control over.
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12-08-2008, 11:03 PM #34
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This is EXACTLY my point. I can't believe there are people, supporting members no less, coming to this thread, and asking for someone to point out where it's actually a rule. It's a site-wide rule. Period. Originally Posted by Lorax74
I posted this thread hoping to see a little maturity. As has been pointed out, the L4D multiplayer mechanics mean that we, as a community, are often playing on servers over which we have zero control. I posted this hoping that people would realize that one of the reasons that TacticalGamer is looked up to by so many other communities, game magazines and individuals is because of our high standards. No, we can't kick you for cussing when you're playing on some random server. We don't want to. We would rather you just exercise a bit of maturity and communicate a bit more professionally.Become a supporting member!
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12-08-2008, 11:04 PM #35
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Coming in and post about a community's actions doesn't really do anything if you don't provide info to a TG administrator.
Clans are one thing, communites are large and anyone can join ours. There's only so much admins can see that happens out there and only so much that we can dig into without violating privicy rights. There have been and will be poeple banned/kicked from TG with TG tags on. There will be from any community that has a open door policy. There will be problems, bad apples, and people who don't get it. Many can be reformed into what TG is about, some wont. Thats why there are posts like to, to restart that education process and try and salvage players so they don't have actions taken upon them.The soldier formerly known as, Eroak.
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12-08-2008, 11:25 PM #36
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Exactly. Why in the world does this seem so hard for some to understand? Come on guys, the "This isn't a TG server" or "I'm not wearing the tag" excuse is complete garbage. If you want to act like a child (with or without the TG tag) take a hike and find another community that will serve your needs. You should be proud to wear the tag and be able to do so at ALL times if you are truly in line with what you agreed to when you joined this community. Originally Posted by CingularDuality
Where has all the "old-school" TG members gone? Is there a new wave that I've missed, up until recently?
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12-09-2008, 12:17 AM #37
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What do you do if someone throws out the "I'm not wearing the tag" excuse? There's no protocol to handle that situation and TG isn't responsible. This community has to be prepared for situations like this. There will be games that don't quite fit perfectly into TG's regular set of games. There's also the issue that with a community this large, there will be players with slightly different views on what constitutes maturity. There's a list of expectations outlined in the FAQ. However, rules oppress players and one cannot ignore that there are flaws in the wording. Originally Posted by Chewy
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12-09-2008, 12:37 AM #38
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Re: Language
Thanks Lorax.
so basically I can say anything but the f bomb.Reapator, overlord of ponies
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12-09-2008, 12:51 AM #39
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re Tags: If someone spends time in the forums and on enjoys our servers, then by all accounts and purposes, they are a member of this community regardless of whether they choose to don the tags or not. Simply saying "I don't or won't wear the tags, so this or that doesn't apply to me" is bunk.
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12-09-2008, 01:06 AM #40
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Why are you guys pushing this so much? It really isn't a big deal and shouldn't be hard to understand.
Originally Posted by CingularDuality
It's simply about tight, professional comms and solid squad-work. Calling out which way you'll turn when you exit the building. Saying when you're jumping down to the lower level. Calling out a cleared room. Alerting teammates when you're hunter'd/smoker'd. Warning your teammate when you're going to cross their line of fire. Giving clear direction when the horde rushes. etc.. etc. Originally Posted by WhiskeySix
If you still think swearing is exciting/fun or somehow makes you a badass [in a smoking-in-the-school-bathroom way], you've got some growing up to do.
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12-09-2008, 01:27 AM #41
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You're contradicting what's stated in the basic rules of conduct and what other TG game officers and admins have already stated. This is why the issue has been pushed. There's no agreement that satisfies all parties. Originally Posted by WhiskeySix
Why are you guys pushing this so much? It really isn't a big deal and shouldn't be hard to understand.
It's simply about tight, professional comms and solid squad-work. Calling out which way you'll turn when you exit the building. Saying when you're jumping down to the lower level. Calling out a cleared room. Alerting teammates when you're hunter'd/smoker'd. Warning your teammate when you're going to cross their line of fire. Giving clear direction when the horde rushes. etc.. etc.
If you still think swearing is exciting/fun or somehow makes you a badass [in a smoking-in-the-school-bathroom way], you've got some growing up to do.
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12-09-2008, 03:00 AM #42
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So what you are saying is what TG is about is dictating rules on someone else's server? Originally Posted by Trooper
As the first post clearly states, this took place on a non-TG server. Why is there any more discussion? If you want to enforce your rules, it has to be somewhere where you have that ability. Are you insinuating I can come on your server and lay down and enforce my own rules? Because that is most certainly what Cing is trying to do here, enforce TG's rules upon others on a non-TG server. That certainly doesn't seem very, oh, mature, does it?
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12-09-2008, 04:23 AM #43
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So basicly Example: Morganan if I play along side you on example server "moon". You are wearing the TG tag offending me after I ask you to stop while you are wearing the tag your held responsible here at Tactical Gamer.
If your not wearing the tag and the team is fine with your language or anything you do whats the problem? If some of you don't know by now these rules also help some of the people that won't speak out and you make them uneasy. Yeah I know its all about comms but you still get the ladies/gentlemen that won't speak up for themselves.
Its a harmless post with common manners really. We can argue but just for the arguement lets really see how many people would rather hear you curse. Vote.
I would rather play with a group without the langauge. Only because of the people that won't speak up. I can handle that rule. So I don't think the post is silly at all. It will get something rolling for future TG servers thats for sure.FUN FUN
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12-09-2008, 05:46 AM #44
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In answer to this I believe Cing is trying to educate supporting members about what they are supporting here. As for that I have yet to join a server that tells me I am not allowed to team kill would you surrgest that it is free game to ruin others games by team killing? Stop playing the advocate for the sake of it. Originally Posted by Morganan
I would also like to add I do not like the argument of 'well if it offends then ask me to stop', there should be an effort not to offend in the first place. You would not go round using alot of racism in your talk when referring to Louis now because you know that would offend someone just as you know by using such colourful langangue there will be people who are offended by that.
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12-09-2008, 10:16 AM #45
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Re: Language
Mature community, prude community, puritanical community?
The funny thing is when a guy doesn't mind spending a few hours splattering blood all over the place with his buddies but then takes offense when one of those buddies drops one F bomb too many.
Nothing like enjoying an outing to the gun range with your pre-teen kid but covering their eyes when a nipple shows up on screen.
The thread is nice and all but did you speak up and let that person know right away how you felt Cing? Because that would have been mature.
By the way, I don't enjoy streaming profanity either from anyone's mouth or keyboard.
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