Vulcan

This is the basic rule of TG since it's inception. While wearing the TG tags you are representing the community and it's ideals. If you don't want to do that then simply take them off but still not allowed on TG servers.

Sure there are slip ups but it's the standard to not let this come up in voip. It's completely fine for you to get with your friends on a private server and cuss up a storm. If you're in the public though and representing TG, you need to uphold it's rules and guidelines.

If you're unsure what those are community wide then please have another read over the primer and here

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Vulcan

It doesn't really matter. This isn't about what cing did but how TG tagged members are representing this community. Some people come across this situation and become completely disgusted because it is a blatent violation or our standards, the most basic one at that and end up not saying anything as to not say something that will make it worse. That's why we have forums where we discuss these things.

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Photometric

As a showing of common and mutual respect we should carry a filter on and remind ourselves that a fbomb every other word just creates noise and chatter and distracts the team from their objectives.

Additionally, I have been guilty of dropping an fbomb when I turn the corner and get boomered with a witch or tank nearby. It is a mature game and we all know no one enjoys someone stating an fword every other word. Personally, e should never have to tell a tg player to stop swearing every other word. On the other hand if a slip happens then we need to politely ask the person th refrain from swearing if it offends. If there are l4d admins they shouldn't even be involved unless the player chooses to completely disrespect the player's wishes after it's been made known.

In my mind, trying to police language is almost impossible, even if people are hell bent to make jokes about natzi's. I just hear it, think to myself that it's not the way I want to be and move on. Some people feel the need to act certain ways as you feel a different way to act. The key to a community is that we work within the differences to a greater good built out of mutual respect.
Player 1 would need to respect a request to tone down language if they let it get excessive, while player2 would need to accept that occasional slip ups happen.

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And what about TG members not wearing the tag? These players could be well known in the TG circle but not wearing the tag means they aren't under the TG code of conduct. They could swear all they want and nobody can say anything. How does one address this situation without feeling uncomfortable? There isn't an admin to turn to that can effectively deal with the situation.

On some level, being part of this community has certain expectations of its members. On the other hand, not wearing the tag implies the player isn't under any TG obligations no matter how well known the player is within TG.

It sounds like players will soon drop the TG tag when playing L4D just so they can play how they want to play. It doesn't bring the standard up to TG's expectations and they really have no control over self-hosted games. If a player wants a curse-free environment, it's up to the player to inform the 3 other players. Posting about it in the forum isn't going to solve the problem at the time it occurred.

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peardog

Regarding NOT WEARING TAGS ....It doesn't matter because it doesn't REFLECT ON THE TG COMMUNITY. We all know there are general Smacktards out there and we expect them when we go "pubbing", but when I get in a squad with a couple of guys with TG attached to their name then I expect a certain type of player.

There are people who PAY (heh..donate?) to play on these (TG) servers and do so so they get a certain atmosphere. As for Public servers (which gets the L4D traffic) you cannot, as pointed out , police their server..but if you got TG tags on..clean up your act and behave accordingly.

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Arithea

All right, there has to be a resolution to this issue somewhere that's acceptable to all involved. As I see it, here are the options for those of us who do, occasionally, use profanity while playing:

1. Take note of the people in this thread who do not wish to hear profanity while they're playing and avoid such language in their presence.
2. Take note of the people in this thread who do not wish for every other word to be profanity and refrain from most cursing in their presence. (I believe this goes without saying, as it's something most of us do, regardless. If you're running a tight game, there just isn't time.)
3. Take note of the people in this thread to who do not wish to hear profanity and refrain from playing with those people.

Since this is apparently a hot topic, I don't plan on debating it; I'm simply trying to give options for resolution. If you can think of more options that could be acceptable to everyone involved, please post them.

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† Disciple †

Whats hard to understand? If your on a TG server then wether your wearing the tag or not it doesn't matter since you are on our servers abiding by our rules and SOP's of the TG community.

When your not on the server and wearing TG tags then you are still representing, advertising this community, well please represent what we stand for in the best lights.

If you do not want to represent what we stand for out side this community's forums and servers then take the tag off in public and swear all you like. If you do not have the tag off then you are not representing (sure you may be known to play here but you are not representing) It seems quite simple to me. This is the time when if one payer doesn't like your foul mouth he can leave or you can turn down the langauge.

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You two do not obviously see the holes that L4D brings to TG's code of conduct. Consider this hypothetical situation that isn't far off from Cing's situation: I am said smacktard swearing uncontrollably. I am not wearing TG tags. Cing and the other 2 players are wearing TG tags. I am hosting the game and we know each other through the TG forums.

This is a situation where they can do nothing but leave. They have experienced a non-TG night of gaming.

Now, let's take this a step further. Cing is the only one wearing TG tags. He knows the other 3 players and they are not wearing TG tags but he still knows them to be reputable TG players. They are not wearing tags so that they can swear without backlash from TG players.

There could be quite a few games like this because TG can't host co-op for everybody. A lot of players will be coming here to find TG style game-play and will not be able to use TG servers.

I am pointing out that there can be a situation where a TG player will be stuck with players that do not meet TG standards. Whether TG admins want to address this problem is up to them but I feel it's necessary to let the community know about it so it can figure out a solution.

I'm not even going to start with the inconsistent views coming from the admins themselves.

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CingularDuality

I'm not seeing any inconsistency from the admins. You've said this a couple of times now, would you care to clarify?

This is surely a unique situation. TG has always either controlled the servers that we play on, or controlled membership into a portion of the game (in the case of MMOs). We don't have this kind of control now.

With most games, it's easy for someone to play on their own private server where they can "let their hair down" and use whatever language they want to. With L4D, the multiplayer system will be just as likely to have me join a TG member on a private server as join a TG member on a TG or pub server. I absolutely see the desire to have a place to play that is NOT a TG server. What if you like everything about TG except the language requirements? What if you like everything about TG except the fact that we forbid the use of the AWP? What if you like everything about TG except the fact that we require you join a squad? Some people need to be able to go elsewhere when they need to let off some steam and experience that one thing that TG doesn't give them.

So... The rules are simple. TG doesn't allow foul language. The question, in this case, is where exactly does TG have "jurisdiction". Traditionally we've held that TG rules apply on all TG servers and to all tagged players on pub servers, but not private servers (since we obviously wouldn't know what happened on them). L4D upsets this, so we need to come up with another way to look at this. I had hoped that this thread would remind people of why they joined TacticalGamer and eliminate the need for us to figure out a new method of enforcement, but it seems that is not to be. I'm afraid of the only method that I can come up with that is foolproof. I don't want this to divide the community. I've been looking around at L4D and have been amazed at how it has drawn players from every corner of TG. That the desire to cuss in a game is going to ruin this is sad.

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WhiskeySix

You bring up great points Sarc. I think Disciple's summary was the best... if you're wearing TG tags or on a TG server, please try not to swear. If you're not either of those, do whatever you want - and conversely, don't expect a language filter. That being said, consider that some find excessive swearing annoying.

I think this discussion was healthy and has come full circle

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