Originally Posted by tHa_KhAn

I still see this as more of a "who" you play with issue versus a technical bug( due to number of players involved) that must be corrected for you to get value out of the game. I think this is a bigger issue than just L4D. Never having left console gaming since the original NES, Xbox Live was the first time I received an update for a console game. However, during my PC gaming I often received updates. So is the problem PC gamers have purchased "finished" products and expect free updates because they found issues with the game that did not present themselves in the demo? When you traditional purchased a console title, that's all you got. Maybe the games were more polished and maybe they weren't. Again, you traditional had to play with people in the same room with consoles versus PC gaming which kept exploits and glitching down. I have some things I'd like to see in many games, Frontlines being a prime example of a game I purchased with hopes of corrections. The only reason I'm actually upset about FFOW is that they fixed some of the bugs of the PC demo in the Xbox demo and I assumed they would get it fixed by release. So I've gone back to expecting nothing more than I see in the demo.

I guess my point is that I played the demo of L4D, showed it to some friends, we all purchased on the release and have played it since then. I in no way feel owed anything from Valve as the game works just like I expected. Any updates are just considered a bonus.

I dont disagree with anything you are saying, other then to say Valve has sprouted for years how they dont do things like that. They patch their games with new content to keep it growing because they have sworn up and down that it gives them sales spikes. I remember an interview where valve said they have gotten more sales of tf2 on the pc with all these updates and new content then they had originally with the product.

If valve wants to get away from that philosophy, that's fine, but say that. They have always touted their great ties with their community. Remember when hl2's code was stolen? They asked the community to help them catch the theif. They've always sworn their special relationship with their customers was how they wanted to make money, not by taking the almost Maddenesque route of milking customers. That was what those "other companies" did that Valve openly laughed at.

If they want to go that route, that's fine, but they have some crow to eat first.