Combat timer

lordflametide · 09-05-2004, 03:39 AM

Seeing the new changes to combat in action in beta5, I believe that combat is nearly fully balanced for the stock time limit of 10:00. With a properly oriented marine team, of equal skill as the alien team, victory is inevitable inside of fifteen minutes. However, I recognize that for the most part, the server is one available for public use, and should not expect high player personal or team skill. However, fifteen minutes is a very long duration to defend the hive with the current game mechanics.

These facts being so, I propose a compromise between the stock timer of ten minutes, and our current timer of fifteen minutes. I believe that the timer should be set somewhere between 11:30 and 13:00. Comments and opinions needed and welcomed.

--T3C[]-[]N0 []v[]UFF1N

**zibalatz** · 09-05-2004, 01:54 PM

I'd like to see it set to the default (10mins) for at least a week's worth of playtesting... but I do agree that 15 appears to be way too long under the new beta.

BTW, the main issue that we're trying to address is that, in 15 min games, marines inevitably are able to get jps and/or gls, which, due to the new alien spawn system (spawning as a skulk no matter what lifeform you died as) means for a lot of alien slaughter.

It might be nice to see some win/loss stats of marine/kharaa since the b5 release before we proceed further.

HairyNevus · 09-05-2004, 02:34 PM

Haven't played yet, but it sounds like a good idea. After all, a Muffin said it. :P

Mr. Krueger · 09-05-2004, 03:07 PM

Yeah, I'm all for trying the default 10 minute timer. The 15 minutes does seem a bit long now, especially with levels capped back at 10.

**Wyzcrak** · 09-05-2004, 04:16 PM

I've changed the combat timer to 10 minutes.

**Pokerface** · 09-06-2004, 03:07 AM

So yeah, all night, I heard nothing but "10 minutes is too short." :-/

I propose an evening of middle-ground experimentation, in the 13 minute area.

**TheAdj`** · 09-06-2004, 04:02 AM

Losing isn't important in combat, I prefer to have fun with it. I don't care if my team loses as long as it's fun. Lerking against 5 jps is fun, the game ending as I go lerk isn't.

Zek · 09-06-2004, 11:21 AM

Going Lerk only takes 2 levels

Wintermute · 09-06-2004, 12:07 PM

^^ yeah but you have to evolve every time you spawn.

Sasuke · 09-06-2004, 03:16 PM

10 minutes is too short for a small combat game.

It's probably just right for a larger game.

**Wyzcrak** · 09-06-2004, 03:37 PM

Well, that brings up an interesting point. I can easily make the combat timer dynamic based on the number of players in the game. Obviously, the timer wouldn't change once the round started. Or should it? Thoughts?

Zek · 09-06-2004, 05:14 PM

Maybe 13-15 minutes for 3v3 or below, and 10 minutes for anything else?

HairyNevus · 09-06-2004, 08:21 PM

13 minutes sounds like a nice middle ground to me.

lordflametide · 09-07-2004, 11:35 AM

Awh, paranoid! Frag fests are for quake and UT ><.

Wyz, if you can make it dynamic, by all means do. I don't think it needed to alter in the process of a round, but just at the beginning of one. 10 mins for 5v5, 11:30 for 4v4, 13 for 3v3, and 14-15 for anything lower? If I'm not mistaken, 12 players and higher changes to classic? Or is that plugin nonfunctional at the moment?

**Wyzcrak** · 09-07-2004, 12:08 PM

I fixed that plugin for b5 last night. CO maps max out at nine players. Once you have ten players, it's off to NS. Some NS maps require more players, but no CO map will be played automatically if more than 9 players are on the server.

I'll work on this dynamic timer plugin this week.

09-05-2004, 03:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
lordflametide Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming, USA Age: 23 Posts: 189	Combat timer Seeing the new changes to combat in action in beta5, I believe that combat is nearly fully balanced for the stock time limit of 10:00. With a properly oriented marine team, of equal skill as the alien team, victory is inevitable inside of fifteen minutes. However, I recognize that for the most part, the server is one available for public use, and should not expect high player personal or team skill. However, fifteen minutes is a very long duration to defend the hive with the current game mechanics. These facts being so, I propose a compromise between the stock timer of ten minutes, and our current timer of fifteen minutes. I believe that the timer should be set somewhere between 11:30 and 13:00. Comments and opinions needed and welcomed. --T3C[]-[]N0 []v[]UFF1N

09-05-2004, 01:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
zibalatz Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 899	Re: Combat timer I'd like to see it set to the default (10mins) for at least a week's worth of playtesting... but I do agree that 15 appears to be way too long under the new beta. BTW, the main issue that we're trying to address is that, in 15 min games, marines inevitably are able to get jps and/or gls, which, due to the new alien spawn system (spawning as a skulk no matter what lifeform you died as) means for a lot of alien slaughter. It might be nice to see some win/loss stats of marine/kharaa since the b5 release before we proceed further.

09-05-2004, 02:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 20 Posts: 869	Re: Combat timer Haven't played yet, but it sounds like a good idea. After all, a Muffin said it. :P __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

09-05-2004, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mr. Krueger Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 23 Posts: 85	Re: Combat timer Yeah, I'm all for trying the default 10 minute timer. The 15 minutes does seem a bit long now, especially with levels capped back at 10.

09-05-2004, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Combat timer I've changed the combat timer to 10 minutes. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

09-06-2004, 03:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 30 Posts: 5,782	Re: Combat timer So yeah, all night, I heard nothing but "10 minutes is too short." :-/ I propose an evening of middle-ground experimentation, in the 13 minute area. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

09-06-2004, 04:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
TheAdj` Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 370	Re: Combat timer Losing isn't important in combat, I prefer to have fun with it. I don't care if my team loses as long as it's fun. Lerking against 5 jps is fun, the game ending as I go lerk isn't.

09-06-2004, 11:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
Zek Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 21 Posts: 597	Re: Combat timer Going Lerk only takes 2 levels

09-06-2004, 12:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wintermute Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Age: 24 Posts: 1,166	Re: Combat timer ^^ yeah but you have to evolve every time you spawn. __________________ Wintermute Play EVE online. It's like being an accounting addict in space. www.MakePovertyHistory.com

09-06-2004, 03:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sasuke Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 417	Re: Combat timer 10 minutes is too short for a small combat game. It's probably just right for a larger game. __________________

09-06-2004, 03:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Combat timer Well, that brings up an interesting point. I can easily make the combat timer dynamic based on the number of players in the game. Obviously, the timer wouldn't change once the round started. Or should it? Thoughts? __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

09-06-2004, 05:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Zek Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 21 Posts: 597	Re: Combat timer Maybe 13-15 minutes for 3v3 or below, and 10 minutes for anything else?

09-06-2004, 08:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 20 Posts: 869	Re: Combat timer 13 minutes sounds like a nice middle ground to me. __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

09-07-2004, 11:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
lordflametide Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming, USA Age: 23 Posts: 189	Re: Combat timer Awh, paranoid! Frag fests are for quake and UT ><. Wyz, if you can make it dynamic, by all means do. I don't think it needed to alter in the process of a round, but just at the beginning of one. 10 mins for 5v5, 11:30 for 4v4, 13 for 3v3, and 14-15 for anything lower? If I'm not mistaken, 12 players and higher changes to classic? Or is that plugin nonfunctional at the moment?

09-07-2004, 12:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Combat timer I fixed that plugin for b5 last night. CO maps max out at nine players. Once you have ten players, it's off to NS. Some NS maps require more players, but no CO map will be played automatically if more than 9 players are on the server. I'll work on this dynamic timer plugin this week. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

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